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Started by #406477 [Ignore] 08,Aug,13 07:09
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Did someone sexually abuse you, to make you **** others, so much? What does it matter if some other guy, that you don't know, loves another man, and likes to feel the softness, and sensuality of women's underwear, or sleepwear? How does it affect you, if you don't even know the guy?
I don't think that most people (the voting public) really care if two women, or two men, choose to be in a committed relationship, as a 'couple'. The recent trends for same-sex marriage laws support the fact that most people don't seem to mind an 'alternative' kind of relationship.
Why do you seem to **** this group so much, when society seems to be supporting their rights, and their lifestyle??
Most men have a 'soft' and 'female' side, as most women have their own 'masculine' side, if they are raised in an emotionally 'Healthy' environment!
Times are changing, and the ways that are changing are leaving you behind, it seems.
I think that you need to look at your own feelings, and issues, before passing such a harsh judgement upon a large group of people that bid you no ill will.
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WOW!! Your response was very well articulated, and your arguments, against some of my ‘socially accepted’ terms, and thoughts, maybe even’ ignorance’ to the subtle details, of the feelings, and maybe anxieties, and ‘bias’, that you might feel, was well formulated, an well asserted!
Complements to you, for offering such an all-inclusive, and point-by-point deconstruction of my hastily posted retort, thinking that you were saying something other than what you were asserting.
I apologize for any of my ‘stereotypical’-based comments that offended you. I didn’t mean to offend you, personally, but I reacted, badly, maybe too quickly, to what I had read so many times from some guy just bashing anyone different, whether they be gay, or transgender, or whatever!!
My **** is a transsexual, and there is a thin line, among the ‘average’ people’s thinking, between gender dysphoria, and homosexuality, and all the things that are not anyone’s business!!
I didn’t mean to offend you, and I totally misunderstood your post.
I'd like to think that one of the few places to use 'male side' or the 'female side' is in a hardware store getting plumbing supplies. (OK, sorry for injecting a bit of humour in this otherwise serious subject. )
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Q)Why does this matter so much, to you, that you post this 'hateful' comment? The 'Human Experience' is that we all feel different things,in our own ways.
[[[My comment is not 'hateful' toward ~people~. It was merely a critique of certain behaviors. This is a huge problem many gays have. They immediately pull out the '**** card' when the behaviors of ~some~ are critiqued. This knee-jerk response doesn't just apply to cross-dressing/gender-bending, but is a reaction to a myriad of critiques of behavior such as barebacking, for example. But please, lets try to keep the focus on point.]]]
Q)Did someone sexually abuse you, to make you **** others, so much?
[[[Was never sexually ****.]]]
Q)What does it matter if some other guy, that you don't know, loves another man,
[[[As a 100% same-gender-attracted male, I have no problem with men loving men.]]]
Q)and likes to feel the softness, and sensuality of women's underwear, or sleepwear?
[[[You are talking apples and oranges. Cross-dressing/gender-bending has nothing to do with same-gender-affection. Cross-dressing/gender-bending is a behavior, not an orientation.]]]
Q)How does it affect you, if you don't even know the guy?
[[[When having cross-dressing/gender-bending thrust on the public, it affects how society reacts to a larger group of men or men, individually, when/if their same-gender-affections become known. It may not be expressed directly, but the repercussions are felt by many who don't see themselves as 'part of' the gay community. There exists this assumption that all men that are same-gender-attracted fall into the same category (GAY"; "F@G"; "Queer")and that we all like to prance and mince about and dress in women's clothing. We don't. Why is it that many gays will often deny this societal perception still strongly exists, but they are so quick to apply their own bias to one of their peers (ME) for simply critiquing behaviors that only apply to a fringe? The true problem arises from within the community, NOT from my critique.]]]
Q)I don't think that most people (the voting public) really care if two women, or two men, choose to be in a committed relationship, as a 'couple'.
[[[The views swing wildly on a scale. But that was not what my comments were about. My critique of behavior has nothing to do with voting, spousal, legal, beneficiary rights, hospital decisions, etc. My critique had nothing to do with 'relationships' (or these types of rights) and never did I suggest I wished to deny the availability of same. Indeed, you can argue that the right to offensive behavior exists, and I'll allow that as well. My point was that it offends me, and I believe it does the entire community damage - in both the short and long-term. But you do not care about those latter points.]]]
Q)The recent trends for same-sex marriage laws support the fact that most people don't seem to mind an 'alternative' kind of relationship.
[[[Again, apples and oranges. My comments had nothing to do with 'relationships', but only fringe fetish behavior that does NOT represent the majority of same-gender-attracted men. Once again, you prove the further point that gays have a hard time accepting critiques, and immediately brand any critique of behavior as '**** for people'.]]]
Q)Why do you seem to **** this group so much, when society seems to be supporting their rights, and their lifestyle??
[[[I will agree that society, in general, supports the rights for all...but that has nothing to do with my critique.]]]
Q)Most men have a 'soft' and 'female' side, as most women have their own 'masculine' side, if they are raised in an emotionally 'Healthy' environment!
[[[However, that expression of the soft (Feminine) side has nothing to do with cross-dressing and gender-bending, nor does it have to do with Dominant/Submissive sexual roles. Men that have artistic or musical traits that may represent feminine personality characteristics have little to do with deliberate affected behaviors. As I mentioned previously, there is a vast difference between a Feminine Personality and EFFeminate behavior. The two words are not synonymous, but many in gAydom get the two confused.]]]
Q)Times are changing, and the ways that are changing are leaving you behind, it seems.
[[[No, actually times are moving forward. There was a time where the screaming queens dominated the scene, but that time has past. There is a whole demographic of men outside the gay community that are displeased with how their affections have been represented (over the last few decades), and we're finally speaking up. Only about 40% of men identify as totally hetero; only about 10% identify as totally gay (and the 'fetish fringe' is an even smaller percentage within the latter). This leaves about 50% of men unrepresented by either, and we are asserting our place as the true majority!]]]
Q)I think that you need to look at your own feelings, and issues, before passing such a harsh judgement upon a large group of people that bid you no ill will.
[[[I was involved in the gay community for 28 years. After that, 8 years ago I discovered the G0y Movement. In the past 8 years, I have taken an even closer look at my previous involvement (and my former peers) in gaydom; yes, with an even more critical eye. I feel that my 'issues' are justified, and they represent a far larger demographic than the cross-dresser/gender-bender crowd. Therefore I will not apologize. There may be some truth to your point that these individuals bid me no ill will; however, the collective result, and the fallout dispersed by the collective effort to 'redefine' the same-gender-attracted community by the fringe few, and the militant defense of the fringe at the expense of the majority - I submit does result in a lot of ill will. Whether intended or not. Certainly individuals might feel they can explode out of the closet in a forum such as this, and this venue is what it is. My point is don't be surprised or offended when those behaviors are critiqued.]]]
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