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I said that you don't exist.
Because you don't.
When I turn my computer off, you vanish.
You don't actually exist OUTSIDE of my computer.
Please try to keep up...
Herein is evidence. You may shut off your computer, however, this record, this dialogue, will continue "existing" inside, outside, topside, alongside, or however, it continues existing.
In this is c-o-n-s-c-i-o-u-s-n-e-s-s proven as more than just a collection of meaningless symbols.
Let's call it theory, a hunch.
I have conversations with the voices in my head on a regular basis.
Often, they talk back.
Of course this communication exists in the form of a "dialog".
I'm not some evil, movie villain who goes around monologuing all the time. (It would be rude not to give my head-voices their say!)
As my computer is merely an extension of what passes for my mind, there is no actual "record" of this exchange except for what I imagine there to be.
And, no offense but, most who claim to be hearing voices in their heads are those being administered psychotropics specifically for that problem.
Which is irrelevant.
Since everything outside of my "self" is a figment of my extremely active imagination (including you), there is no one to prove your existence to.
There is no need to prove your existence because you have none.
You, sir, are a figment.
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JustWill, Don't just tell us what you believe, prove it.
What more proof do you need?
And who is this "us" you speak of?
For an imaginary computer-person,you sure are bossy...
Consciousness is what you feel when you get caught masturbating on one of those rate occasions that you were not planning to.
The fuller version is "Since I doubt, I think, since I think I exist". All first person stuff. Doesn't necessarily mean that there is even one other sentient mind out there.
~Hercletus
I don't quite follow your thought though...were you making a 'Ship of Theseus' argument??
"Truth is truth to the end of reckoning."
~William Shakespeare
More to your point, though, the 'self' is a construct that exists solely in the simulacra and simulation of the mind; it has no 'real world' correlate.
Then again, there may be no 'real world,' at all; certainly it would seem to be inaccessible to the mind.
On the other other hand, if the 'self' is an entity that exists within a simulation, and the simulation exists within the 'real world,' the problem solves itself. (no pun intended)
So why do we do this to ourselves (i.e., learn another's so-called "wisdom" rather than developing our own)? Why live in a world of some other creature's creation, a creation that is in most likelihood the cause of most of our neurosis??
I should expand on that last point: the development of the self is what allows us to recognize others (Solipsism notwithstanding); it is the cradle of empathy, and a necessary component of true agency within the 'real world.'
Moreover, because we can recognize other minds, we can attempt to access them through a shared symbology; again, that is language and what it is for. Because of this 'shared neuroses' I can see the world through other people's eyes, and learn things, and access what would have been otherwise inaccessible to me; I can know what a person thousands of miles -- and/or thousands of years -- separated from me was thinking.
Is it imperfect? Well, yeah; **so is every thought**. The symbols and simulations your mind creates out of the stimuli it's receiving from the 'tree' in the 'real world' (the simulacra) are an inherently and inextricably imperfect representations; the tree's 'full existence' is beyond your ability to perceive it, both in that your physical senses are limited and your perspective is irreproducably idiosyncratic.
"If the map was perfect, it would be the territory."
Speaking of accessing other people's thoughts, I think (oooo, double pun!) that you'd enjoy reading Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth"...or well, really any of his books.
~Zen saying (attr. Hsing Hsing)
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How come we cannot say ani...mals?
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You're right!
Let me try something else: ****
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That was S L E E P.
It's also prohibited.
All descriptions of reality are temporary hypotheses.
I wonder though if there is anyone in this world or someday wi'll be who perceives his/her consciousness as the same way as I do. If so, what is the consequence of that fact on my individualalism? Am I still an individual then, or is my identity fully made of my dna and surroundings?
Imo, our consciousness will vanish with us when we die.
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