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Let me ask a question.Are we at War with Russia?
Most would say profoundly, "no". Because they are not bombing us,we are not bombing them and so on.
We are not bringing home dead soilders that they killed.
BUT Ukraine is at war with Russia.Ukraine seems to think they can do better on their own and are fighting,and KILLING their Russian neighbors that are simply following orders,and vice versa.
When the US sends money,or equipment to the Ukraine we are basicly putting ourselves at War with the Russians. Because equipment with Made in the USA written on it is taking Russian lives.
And we wonder why the Russians would want to interfer in our elections? To cut off and stop the killing of their soilders by our money and guns.
DUH>
We need to tell Ukraine so long and stop poking the Bear.
Before the Bear bites our ass.
Another thing,this Ukraine aid thing, was this all setup by the democrats to start a war with Russia using Ukraine as Mercinarys? Hired guns? Kinda like the French foreign legion made up of Germans from the Nazi war machine?Not the best comparison but I am just trying ask,are the dems using the Ukrainians to do their dirty work?
The Trump administration has approved the largest U.S. commercial sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine since 2014. The move was heavily supported by top Trump national security Cabinet officials and Congress but may complicate President Trump’s stated ambition to work with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Administration officials confirmed that the State Department this month approved a commercial license authorizing the export of Model M107A1 Sniper Systems, ammunition, and associated parts and accessories to Ukraine, a sale valued at $41.5 million. These weapons address a specific vulnerability of Ukrainian forces fighting a Russian-backed separatist movement in two eastern provinces. There has been no approval to export the heavier weapons the Ukrainian government is asking for, such as Javelin antitank missiles.Congress authorized such sales in 2014 in the Ukraine Freedom Support Act, but the Obama administration never authorized large commercial or government sales, a move widely seen as a de facto decision not to provide lethal weapons to the Ukraine military
AHHH, HOW IS THAT AGAIN????
I think they were sincere when they said they just wanted us OUT so they could run their own country.
And perhaps the Chinese came in and bought it since we held onto their country's money and left them broke and starving?
And now our enemys know more about us than we do?
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The National Bank of Ukraine has decided to open a special fundraising account to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The central bank’s decision comes after the Ukrainian government imposed martial law throughout Ukraine in response to armed aggression by Russia and the renewed threat to Ukraine’s independence and territorial integrity.
The number of the special account: UA843000010000000047330992708
This account accepts multiple currencies. It has been established and opened to receive transfers from international partners and donors in both foreign currency (U.S. dollars, euros, UK pounds) and hryvnias.
Also NBU Opens Fundraising Account for Humanitarian Assistance to Ukrainians Affected by Russia’s Aggression
The account is meant for charity contributions from Ukraine and from abroad. The Ministry of Social Policy will channel the raised funds to support Ukraine’s citizens severely affected by the war.
“Russian aggression deprived thousands of Ukrainians of their home, money, clothes, food, and other basic things. However, Ukraine and the rest of the world would not leave them alone with their grief. Financial support keeps coming both from the citizens of our country and from abroad. To streamline the inflows of funds as humanitarian aid to Ukrainians affected by the war, the NBU has opened an account for the Ministry of Social Policy to accumulate charitable contributions for social needs in wartime. Unlike the special account that has been opened to finance the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, money from this account will be used to help those hardest-hit by the war with Russia,” - said the NBU Governor Kyrylo Shevchenko.
Money transferred to this account will be used by the Ministry of Social Policy:
to provide food and shelter for refugees and citizens that have been displaced due to military conflict
to provide clothing, shoes, and medicine for them
to buy staple goods for the population
to pay out one-off financial aid and to meet other essential needs of the population.
The number of the special account: UA823000010000032302338301027.
This account accepts multiple currencies. It has been established and opened to receive transfers from international partners and donors both in foreign currency (U.S. dollars, euros, British pounds) and from Ukrainian business and citizens in hryvnias.
Also you can make a contribution to the Return Alive Foundation:
IBAN Code (Euro): UA093052990000026004025029786
IBAN Code (US Dollars): UA173052990000026009035028620
You are what remains from your whore Mama’s failed abortion
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THE DAY DEMOCRACY DIED
A long long time ago
A Tuesday in November
When that sinking feeling laid us low
And we knew if he had his way
That we’d all live to curse the day
When decency received a fatal blow
His bankruptcies got no attention
Pussy-grabbing — barely mentioned
Promising a great wall
He swore to make tax rates fall
I still remember how I tried
To have sympathy for his third bride
But something rumbled deep inside
The day democracy died
, but...
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy
Is Putin the one to blame
‘Cause we all know it was not Ukraine
Who lost it by three million strong
And do you believe the shit he says
Repeated by Fox talking heads
We’re quite amazed they fell for such a con
All the red hats at his rallies cheer
But there must be something in the beer
‘Cause if they had a brain
Then they’d know this man’s insane
He was a loser bullied by his Dad
Kept bailing out his debts gone bad
He craved the love he never had
The day democracy died,
so now we’re singin’
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy
Every four years we all make a choice
And try to unite our divided voice
I guess that’s how it’s always been
Now we find ourselves in this crazy state
In a war to vote for love or hate
And we can’t ever let the darkness win
Oh, dictatorship was not our thing
But electors picked a tyrant king
Impeaches sure taste sweet
Oh but now that’s all history
‘Cause when Moscow Mitch gets on the case
Then honor’s gone without a trace
And we all prayed they’d be replaced
Before democracy dies,
now we’re singin’
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy
Face it, face it, he’s just a racist
And “white” is what he means by “greatest”
Rich and white is better, yes
A mobster with a crooked past
Who laundered condos for autocrats
But he can’t outrun the bloodhounds on his tracks
‘Cause the time keeps ticking like a fuse
Fifty-two percent are not amused
Too many to suppress
Who want a White House repossessed
Yeah, we know that right is on our side
And soon we’ll look back full of pride
Together we can reverse the tide
Before democracy dies
, now we’re singin’
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy
Oh, and when we’re alone in that booth
All generations, age and youth
The time has come to pick the one
So come on, search your heart and search your soul
Don’t flush our planet down a hole
For an orange ass who’s blotting out the sun
Oh, and as I watch him on a stage
His lips — they twist in fits of rage
Playing the victim well
He casts his creepy spell
And as conspiracies on Facebook flow
We flip the page and just say no
Because only sheep would watch that show
And let democracy die
, we’re all singin’
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy
I met a girl who chose him once
Now she regrets she played the dunce
And she’s a leading activist
I went down to the polling place
Saw lines for miles, all happy-faced
And the crowd there knows who they’re not gonna pick
And on the screens the pundits shriek
A slanted poll, an angry tweet
Hackers interfering
It’s too late for a hearing
Good thing you and I and all our friends
Now realize our life depends
On making sure this madness ends
Before democracy dies
, yeah we’re all singin’
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
Vote for anyone but this guy,
we’re all singin’
No, don’t let democracy die
He’s a famous ignoramus — can’t tell truth from a lie
And if he wins we’ll kiss our country goodbye
Singin’ vote for anyone but this guy
He is suddenly Honest Abe? He somehow became worth BILLIONS of dollars without any foul play? Um. I don't know alot about him.I just know I am already sick of the pics of him hovering around Obammas ass like a fly. Gun control freak,thinks you should ban a large drink.Although any dumbass knows you can refill a medium size? DUH.He is on tv taking credit for things related to 911.He was not mayor until AFTER that happened.
And the most important question. No matter how happy you are with the economy, perhaps other things, deep down, Is all of it worth the suffering this country and people are going through because of the style of governing by this president?
New roofs they had been putting off for years.New trucks, kids going to college,yep,things do look better around these parts.I have yet to see any suffering?
And I think even the democrats are scared of BloomingidiotBurg.From what I am reading here on the web,the canidates really chewed him up good last night.
When a socialist, and a grouchy old woman, a tiny town mayor and a grey haired old ex vice president are all scared of the billionaire at the stand, It is time to pay attention to what happens next.
US President Donald Trump's claim that he was "totally exonerated" by special counsel Robert Mueller was rejected by Mr Mueller in a hearing on Wednesday.
Mr Mueller said he had not exonerated Mr Trump of obstruction of justice.
The former FBI director spent two years probing alleged collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia, but did not establish collusion in a crime.
He concluded that Russia had interfered in the election with the intention of benefitting Mr Trump's campaign.
I'm not even going to post the link to this. Muller did an investigation. Half was true, half was false
I really don't care. And what's wrong with you? We are on the fourth year of Trumpo's presidency and you still bring up Obama and Hilary? Your man can't stand on his own? You are a fool and everyone else like you is too. You are still fighting the 2016 election. Well, he won and he got himself impeached.
HOW CAN YOU OBSTRUCT JUSTICE IF YOU HADN'T COMMITTED ANY CRIME...
lIBERALS ONLY SHIT ON THE FLOOR ANYWAY.. WHAT ARE THEY GOOD FOR AND NAME ONE THING IN 225 YEARS OF THEIR EXISTENCE OF HATE THAT THEY DID GOOD FOR AMERICA..
I got some home automation stuff people can buy for home. A thermostat and some internet connect speakers and lights. I can turn lights on just by talking or change the thermostat temp. Now I just have the lights set to come on automatically at sunset. If I have to pay for someone else college education I would not have these thing.
Do you know the guy you'll be paying for the college tuition? Will you send him a monthly check or make direct payments to the college?
I'll tell you about the job because I bet most people won't do it. They will choose the fast food job because is more easy and less hours. The job is Truck Driver. They have free training and will pay them during training. You will work 70 hours a week and live and sleep on the job. You will work 3-6 weeks. It pays lots more then fast food. Most people won't do the job. Training for the job pays more then fast food job.
So you should tell them to get out of that fast food job. I can tell you of some companies that need driver and will train then if they are really interested. Here the thing. It Friday morning, do you think I'll be home this weekend or working ?? I don't know myself. That how the job works and why I get paid lots more then fast food. They will pay ME not to work. If they don't get me home. I get paid regular pay, plus I get $100 extra not to work on Sunday. They are going to pay me $100 not to work. They need more drivers are willing to pay. Let see who want out of that fast food job.
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Truckers voted for Trump in droves. Now they say his trade war is 'killing' their ability to make a living.
Morris Coffman has been a truck driver for 35 years. And he's been a conservative for even longer than that — his whole life.
"That said," Coffman told Business Insider, "[Trump] is absolutely a moron. His idiotic ideas will tank the economy even further."
Truckers, like Coffman, lean conservative. A Verdant Labs analysis of Federal Elections Commission data found that nearly three-quarters of truck drivers are Republican — one of the most conservative jobs in America, along with surgeons and farmers.
But a sharp downturn in the trucking industry and a slew of tax changes have hampered their ability to make a living. And many connect those two trends to Trump's economic policies.
Trump's tax reworking in 2017 led to many truck drivers having to pay hundreds in taxes this year, thanks to a change in per-diem laws. Dennis Bridges, an accountant who specializes in doing taxes for truckers, told Mother Jones in April that 75% of his clients saw an unusually large tax payment, and about 20% had to fork over more than $5,000.
That might've been bearable in 2018, when trucking capacity was tight, the industry was raking in cash, and truckers saw their pay jump. But now the trucking "bloodbath," as Coffman and other truckers describe current transportation conditions, has meant low rates and low pay for truckers. Trucking has been in a recession since late 2018.
NOW, I CAN SEE YOU SAYING, "FAKE NEWS" BUT THERE'S ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE SAYING SO. AND, MORE IMPORTANT, MANY LARGE TRUCKING COMPANIES GOING BANKRUPT OR OUT OF BUSINESS. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IF YOU ARE HAPPY, MORE POWER TO YOU. IF OTHERS PREFER TO STAY BURGER FLIPPERS, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. BUT THINK ABOUT THIS. THE GREAT MAJORITY OF FAST FOOD EMPLOYEES ARE STUDENTS AND SINGLE MOTHERS. THIS LAST GROUP WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME BEING AWAY FOR DAYS AT A TIME WHILE HER KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL AND A CAREGIVER
Much as I dispise railroad workers attitudes, that is a good line of work to.pays well.and no real hard work.
Sometimes the hourly wage is not what people should look at.
A lower hourly wage,say 12 instead of 16,would turn most folks to the 16.But then, the 12 dollar a hour person has paid vacation and sick leave and insurance.All that the 16 per hour person has to pay more for out of pocket or does not have.
If I were coming out of high school right now, I would probably head for the oil industry out west.Putting in pipeines or drilling. Hard work but pays well.
O/O get to claim Per Diem and they get a new 20% pass thru tax off the top or something like that. I would have look that one back up. The rates for trucking was the best in like 50 year for 2017 and 2018. So they have to go down back to normal rates.
I'm making some of the best money ever in trucking. I got pay raise, the trucking company is looking to expand the fleet even today they want more drivers. I have made more money every year for the last 3 years. So the idea the Trump is killing trucking it not true. I did not get $5,000 tax increase
You are correct someone with kids would probably not want to drive a truck. That's their choice. Someone flipping burgers, may not want to drive a truck. It's their choice, but they are not stuck in a fast food job. They can't blame Trump for that. They should not claim we now have pay for their health insurance because they flip burgers. How about they get a better job that pays better just like me ? People should be able to tell us how much national heath care will cost. If it's close to what I'm paying now for heath insurance maybe we can do this. But if its a crazy number because we are going to insure everyone and people want to keep flipping burgers without heath insurance. Then I'm not paying for them or voting for someone who keep say claiming it's not big tax increase. They are talking like 2 or 3 Trillion a year tax increase. If your flipping burgers at minimum wage it not a problem. If your making ok money driving a truck that can get expensive.
Ok, granted, you are not to blame personally, but, in a general way, you are. Did you know that most of these people can not afford the insurance the employer offers? But, the minute they get medicade and they are in the Wick program, they get it for free. It's not as flexible as private insurance, but, guess what? YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT.
My question is, "Why not fix Obama-Care or get something similar and provide this for everyone. The ones that can afford to pay a monthly premiunm does and the ones that can't don't.
Question is,where do you draw the lines on who can afford premiums and who can't? Think about this.a fellow making 12 bucks a hour and gets insurance is told he will no longer get the company insurance. Ooops,suddenly, he has to go to Ocare, It turns out to be expsensive but,with his income he gets a break and it is free!. Well the 16 dollar a hour guy down the street suddenly has to pay 400 a month! He would be tempted to take a pay CUT to get the free insurance would he not?
if 10 people need insurance,and 5 are paying x amount of dollars for all 10,would it not be fair to divide it all up evenly? All 10 pay the same?
There is money coming from somewhere,and it was NOT there before Trump came along as things were falling down.
I am hopeing the cost of a used Dodge Magnum with 5.7 hemi and all wheel drive comes down to a point I can get 1 in about 4 more years.
I could go on for hours if I did some research because there has NEVER been a saint in the White house.
So suddenly,just because you don't like this particular President,we should expect different behavior from him as opposed to previous 1's? You have ignored Fast and Furious,Bengazzi,and etc but suddenly,now that a pres is in there you don't like,the standards should change? Um, strange,where have you lived your whole life? where was all these morals about cheating on wives when Clinton did it? ETC.
It all goes back to the double standard thing.As long as it is a democrat doing it is ok, but let the conservitive do it,and it is WRONG.Bull shit,just plain bull shit.
You guys are always bringing examples of bad behavior by others. Excuse HIS BAD BEHAVIOR on his merit. Why is it ok for him to grab women's pussies without asking permission? Why was it ok for him to cheat on his pregnant wife with a porn star? Why was it ok to pay off the same porn star to stay quiet on the eve of the 2016 election? Why did he do a Quid-pro-Quo with a foreign government? Why does he feel it's ok to lie so much no one believes him anymore? Why did he do everything he could to stop his impeachment trial to be a fair one? I'm waiting on your response, not on the Kennedys, not on Big Willie. On Trump.--------------------------------------- added after 5 minutesNO MATTER IF THE LAST 44 PRESIDENTS ACTED BADLY. WE ARE NOT ON THEIR DIME. WE ARE ON TRUMP TIME NOW. GROW SOME COJONES, BOTH OF YOU. STOP ATTACKING MY OPINIONS. STOP TELLING EVERYONE THAT JOHNNY DID IT TOO. STOP TELLING ME THAT IT'S OK BECAUSE YOUR POCKETS ARE BETTER OFF. JUST ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS,,,,,,,W I T H-------- F U C K I N G------- P R O O F.
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You ask why is it ok this and that and I told you. The others set a presedent and to expect Trump or anyone else to suddenly do different is a double standard.
The pussys he grabbed were of women putting themselves on the "casting couch" for fame and fortune,they only suddenly gave a damn when they thought they could cause damage.Had Trump never ran for President,we would have never known or remembered it.
Who says he cheated on his wife? That has been porn star he gave some money to sign a contract to shut up and get out of his hair? What crediablity has she got? Or did you miss it last week on the news about her former lawyer that represented her getting in Big trouble for trying to goug Nike out of a bunch of money? So if she hired or fucked that snake to get him to work for her,that sheds a light on how crediable her words are.Also considering she made good money off her Make America horny again tour or whatever it was. Why do we need to send money and weapons to a corrupt country without some questions answered? If he did quid pro quo,it was in the best interest of the tax payer.
Why did he get involved in his impeachment? He didn't want his staff being drug thru the mud like he was.So he Ordered them to stay out of it. IF they got drug thru the mud it was becaus they disobeyed orders.
I have balls, if I didn't I would be like some of the other assholes that just call you names and or ignore you.
I honestly don't know what kind of a answer you are looking for. You should be able to add things up,figure things out,I mean you are using a computer,you obviously know how to google, use those skills to LEARN another side of the story besides the fantasy island you live on.
Oh wait, "De plane,De plain!"
You know,straight up,I am begining to think Maby,now I am saying Maby, YOU may be part of the interference into our Elections.Your post and other similar on other websites and forums are what spread hatred and misguide people into making bad desicions. I doubt this is the case,but it is odd how you bounce in and out like a butterfly,make a stink and run.Come back under another name and so on.
FOR REAL? SO BAD IS OK IF SOMEONE ELSE DID IT FIRST? WHY DO YOU COMPLAIN IF FOOD STAMP RECIPIENTS CHEAT? OTHERS DID IT BEFORE.
NEVER MIND, BABY. IF YOUR MIND CAN'T GET AROUND IT, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TRYING TO EXPLAIN. YOUR BRAIN IS IN DENIAL OR YOU DON'T CARE FOR THE RULE OF LAW IF IT DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOUR IDEAS. MY FANTASY ISLAND IS SHARED BY MORE THAN HALF OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE REASON HIS APPROVAL RATING IS IN THE LOW 40%. ARE YOU GOING TO QUESTION THIS AGAIN. THERE'S TWO SIDS TO A STORY, BUT, LET ME REMIND YOU, ONLY ONE SIDE IS THE TRUTH. HISTORY WILL TELL.
I can wrap my head around the law and such.It just seems mighty strange that folks have sat back thru all these years and just SUDDENLY they want their president to act like a saint.Although they sat back while ALL others smoked dope on top of the white house and so on.All that is water under the bridge.Now that Trump is in,lets change the standard,lets hold HIM to a higher standard than ALL others before him. Yea,that sure makes sense.Politicly motivated anger is all it is.The dems didn't get the wicked witch in office and they are still throwing tantrams.
White House counsel Pat Cipollone falsely suggested Republicans were barred from the closed-door depositions conducted by the House intelligence committee. But members of three committees — both Democrats and Republicans — participated.
Jay Sekulow, President Donald Trump’s attorney, falsely said, “During the proceedings that took place before the Judiciary Committee, the president was denied the right to cross-examine witnesses … the right to access evidence and … the right to have counsel present at hearings.” The committee chair invited Trump and his lawyers to participate, but they declined.
YOU REFER TO THIS AS A TRIAL. THIS WAS NOT A TRIAL. THIS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF A GRAND JURY. IT'S WERE A DETERMINATION IS MADE ON WEATHER A CRIME MAY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED. IN A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, THE PROSECUTOR RUNS IT AS HE SEES FIT. THE OBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF DURING THE TRIAL (THE SENATE).
The constitutional right to a lawyer comes from the Sixth Amendment, but it only guarantees a lawyer in criminal proceedings – usually after a defendant has been indicted or otherwise charged with a crime.
CHECK IT OUT WITH NATIONAL JURISPRUDENCE. SO, SCHIFT WAS RIGHT, EVERYONE ELSE IS FULL OF SHIT.
NOW, HOW MANY TRIALS HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT WHERE THE JUDGE (McCONNELL), BEFORE THE START OF THE TRIAL, DECLARES THAT HE WILL NOT ALLOW THE DEFENDANT TO BE FOUND GUILTY? HOW MANY TRIALS HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT WERE THE PROSECUTOR CAN NOT BRING WITNESSES OR EXHIBITS? I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ONE.
NOW, IF HE WAS INNOCENT, WHY DID THEY FEAR WITNESSES AND EXHIBITS? AFTER ALL, HE HAD A ROOM FULL OF LAWYERS AND SENATORS THAT PROMISED NOT TO CONVICT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES?
OVEREIGHT. THE TRIAL WAS NOT A FAIR ONE. YOU KNOW IT, I KNOW IT, THE SENATE KNOWS IT AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW IT, BUT, SADLY, IF YOU OWN THE SENATE, OWN THE JUDICIARY, AND EVERYONE IS CHICKEN TO STAND UP TO CORRUPTION, WELL, THEN HE'LL GET OFF EVERY TIME. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE FOLLOWING. IF HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY, WHY ARE YOU STILL BEMOANING THE IMPEACHMENT? IS THIS LIKE "LET'S BLAME OBAMA AND HILARY" CRAP?
You won't answer the hard questions. We will put you in charge. So tell us how much money national heath care will cost? How are you going to pay for it ? If you are going taxes people or corporation. I don't think that's a good idea but it depends on how much more we have to pay.
If you want cut government spending or other programs to pay for it. That something I could go for. I already know the answer is nobody want their favorite government program cut. If you think you can list the ones you will cut to pay for national heath care.
THE COST IS NOT EASY TO GET EXACT. BUT HERE'S A GOOD ESTIMATE FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL AS BERNIE SANDERS PRESENTED IT IN 2017
"In addition, former Social Security and Medicare Trustee and current Mercatus Center fellow Chuck Blahous estimated that Medicare for All as proposed in Senator Sanders's 2017 legislation would cost the federal government $27.7 trillion through 2028 assuming steep provider cuts and $32.1 trillion assuming no provider cuts (these estimates, like most others, assume immediate implementation).
THESE COSTS ARE SPREAD OUT OVER A 10 YR PERIOD. YOU CAN READ IT HERE
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HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING,
"The totals also do not represent debt impact, which would depend not only on the cost to the federal government but also on any funds the government might choose to raise through premiums, taxes, or both. For example, Senator Sanders's campaign plan included roughly $11 trillion of tax increases, which COULD FUND MORE THAN ONE THIRD of Medicare for All."
I did a quick Google search and it say in 2018 we had 156 million people working in USA. That's $17,300 per working person. We can taxes the really rich people more. At $17,300 that's almost Six time what I'm paying now.
If Sanders compaign plan is 11 Trillion more in taxes. I don't know were that money is coming from. I guess Corp taxes. You can tax corporations and the people. I don't see how anyone can afford it. Just looking at we are 22 trillion in the hole and can't even pay that back yet and we refuses to balance the budget. Adding even more sound impossible. That cazy, it so complicated you can't tell me how much we have to pay or percentage of taxes increase. $17,300 is more then I want to pay, so people can flip burgers and have free health insurance. Just make them get job like me or a different job that include some heath care. I don't think you can afford this idea. Maybe if we cut the illegals and their kid out of the heath care syatem we can bring the price down some.
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National Health Expenditure grew 4.6% to $3.6 trillion in 2018, or $11,172 per person, and accounted for 17.7% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
Medicare spending grew 6.4% to $750.2 billion in 2018, or 21 percent of total NHE.
Medicaid spending grew 3.0% to $597.4 billion in 2018, or 16 percent of total NHE.
So we have to pay it for them. Their are about 160 million people working in the USA in 2018. 327 million-160 million is 167 million people we have pay for. Their are more people taking the heath care money then are paying into the system.
167 million at $11,172 is 1.9 Trillion the working people have cover or makup for. That $1.9 Trillion by 160 million people employed in 2018 is $11,800 extra/ more taxes per working person we need to pay to cover the 3.6 Trillion bill.
Do you think that's asking to much ? See if we force them to work jobs like mine or yours then we don't have to pay so much money. We just need to FORCE them to work Ha Ha. Just the idea their are more people taking from the system then paying doesn't seem fair.
When people don't know the real price or don't care they probably think, let give everyone free health insurance. The rich people can pay or the government can pay for it. The business can pay for it. Once you take personal responsibility out of the deal. People don't care or even think about it. People don't care about the price anymore because they don't pay anything. The system get bigger and bigger and out of control and so complicated we can't even figure out wear the money is going. Then we start to get more people 167 million taking the free heath care and only 160 million people paying for it. The system will fail because the benefits are better then working. We also don't put ant limits on the health insurance. So people say cover all the illegals and their kids. When it really $11,172 for everyone we give free health care to.
look at these figures for 2016, and remember, there was no national, single payer insurance program.
Last year, America’s total medical costs hit a new record of $3.4 trillion, according to the federal government. That’s about 18 percent of the country’s total GDP, meaning that one out of every six dollars we spent in 2016 went to health care. The national doctor bill dwarfs anything else we spend money on, including food, clothing, housing, or even our mighty military.
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Yes, we are trying to include everyone, but, aren't illegals and uninsured still treated in emergency rooms? Don't say no because my whole 25 yr career has been in hospitals and primarily in the ER. The costs show up in different ways. What these proposals are proposing is to consolidate all bills to one place. Why is that so hard to swallow?
I know of a older guy that gets pain pills. Then he sells the them for the money.
I have solution to the problem. How about we force any business that hire employees to pay the $11,172 average national health car cost. No matter what your job is the business will pay the national health care average cost per person. Then they can pay you regular pay what every that is. So someone flipping burgers will have free heath care just because they have a job. So they will want to work. The business will add that price the the hamburger or anything they sell.
Here is the good part. I can decide if I want to pay that price for a hamburger or anything. I won't be forced to pay out of my hard work. I can even have my 401k and not have some cazy tax on it. I won't care if they have illegals working for them because they will have health insurance. Just because they are working.
You can't just take away money from other people because you think is a good reason. I'm not paying for illegals or some lazy person who want to party on the weekend when I'm working. If people want to make me a hamburger and fries and include their health care and personal pay in that price. That ok, because I can choose if I really want that hamburger and fries.
If you think the government should just take money from people then I will tell the government you should pay a lot more taxes because you can afford it. Your rich
"Part of the problem will illegals is they go to the hospital and we have to pay for it."
That is true, but, the part you did not mention is that the hospital that provides that service is almost always a public hospital paid by the city or county it's in with taxes collected from the community. Home owners being the biggest group taxed. One way or the other we pay for it.
You know that older guy that sells his pain pills? Ever stop to think why he does that? Think about it.
I get you don't want to pay a single penny more than what covers YOU. Ok, but, weather you like it or not, there's always going to be taxes. What it goes for you MIGHT be able to influence, but, I doubt it. And you know that BIG boogie man, "The Illegals"? They are approx. 3.5% of the total population or about 12 million. Really a drop in the bucket. And, when you figure that an often-overlooked fact is that many illegal immigrants pay payroll taxes and sales taxes. It can't affect the numbers that much. You've been brain washed about the "Great Hordes Coming Up From Mexico".
You seem reasonably smart. Think about this. There are traffic jams every day in every city and town of this nation during the morning and afternoon rush hours. Do you think all these people play all day long and suck on the tit of the Feds taking and not putting back? Not wanting higher taxes is normal. Citing your excuses is at best, laughable. At worst you are a bigot and a person that thinks very poorly of your fellow citizens.
I'm sure your know about the 22 Trillion national debt. So obviously people are sucking on the tit of the government as you put it. You only care about what you want. Only you can think 12 million illegals at $11,172 or 1.3 billion is small. I'm sure it seem drop in bucket to you because you don't pay the bill. Your not willing to stand up for what you believe.
We already paying taxes in case your forgetting about all the stuff the government already give out for free. If you want to pay for more stuff. You can write a check anytime you want to.
Yes we can influence how taxes are spent. We can vote for someone who says no to free national health care.
Only you can think 12 million illegals at $11,172 or 1.3 billion is small.
And only you can be so thick headed that you can't wrap your brain around the fact that the money has to come from the workers only. There is no explanation that you are willing to accept that the means are there. You have decided that it'will cost you more taxes and that's that. Well, either the nation will go ahead with health care for all or stay behind in it's present system as it implodes. Time will tell
The huge growers in the southwest that make oodles of money, hire almost exclusively illegals or seasonal workers. So what? Yes, we are paying taxes already. You vote as you like and good luck.
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OK PETRO635, LET'S PLAY ANOTHER GAME,
YOU
-You want to believe you can save everyones without paying for it.
ME
WHEN DID I SAY THAT? SHOW ME.
YOU
The illegals are just an example of how messed up the system is.
ME
SINCE WHEN IS ILLEGAL ENTRY TO THIS COUNTRY "A SYSTEM"?
YOU
Do you really think they are paying $11,172 in taxes to cover their cost
ME
DID I EVER SAY THAT? YOU ARE VERY FREE WITH WHAT YOU ATTRIBUTE TO ME. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT?
YOU
I'm sure your know about the 22 Trillion national debt. So obviously people are sucking on the tit of the government as you put it
ME
YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR EVERYTHING IT DOES, RIGHT? MILITARY, INFRASTRUCTURE, SOCIAL PROGRAMS, EVEN THE WHOLE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL FROM CONGRESS TO SWEEPERS ARE PART OF THAT COST. THE DEBT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO BORROW WHEN WE RUN OUT OF MONEY. THAT IS NOT WASTED EXPENSES GOING TO DEADBEATS.
YOU
I'm sure it seem drop in bucket to you because you don't pay the bill. Your not willing to stand up for what you believe.
ME
HOW DARE YOU. I PAY A GOOD CHUNK OF MY PAYROLL TO INCOME TAXES. I'M WILLING TO BET I PROBABLY PAY MORE THAN YOU. FOR CERTAIN MY HOUSEHOLD PAYS WAY MORE THAN YOU. I AM WILLING TO PAY MORE SO MY FELLOW CITIZENS GET A BETTER DEAL FOR THEIR HEALTH CONCERNS. OBVIOUSLY FOR YOU IT'S ONLY "ME,ME,ME"
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
Illegals entry into the USA. The system of free health care and hospital will take care of them if they go and free high school education their kid will get. They will get food stamps if needed. That's the system you don't seem to understand. Because you can't say no to illegals and you can't say no to the free stuff. They just show up and they can get it. Then we have to pay for it. But we don't actually pay for it. We jus keep adding it to the debt. Are you blind ??? Look at the California they are something like 1 Trillion in debt.
Illegals and the $11,172 thing was to point out they probably pay some taxes but they don't pay enough taxes to over come the free benefits they are taking. Part of the problem is because they are illegals the people they work for won't pay them a good wage because they know. Nobody is going to say anything and they can't because they are illegals. So they get screwed and so does the USA tax payers because nobody won't say no or go after the business that employees them.
If the government would stop spending money when it run outs of money then people like you would wake up and see the problem we have. We can afford all the stuff we want. Then you would be forced to made a choice as to what programs you want the government to spend your and my and everyone else money on. But no you don't want to make a choice, you want to keep spending even more money and keep going into debt.
It not about me me me. I'm willing to admit we are running out of money and can't afford national heath care. Because we already spent 22 trillion more then we have. Let's pay the 22 Trillion off and let's see maybe we can afford national health care.
What good is good health in a unsafe country?
There could be some trimming,like take away subsidizing from alchol fuels and we actually eat the corn and burn the real gas that won't gum up everything in a months time.
That would leave some money for health care.
A staggering report by the Defense Department’s Inspector General last summer found the Army made $2.8 trillion worth of wrongful adjustments to accounting entries in one quarter alone in 2015, and $6.5 trillion for the year. The Army lacked receipts and invoices to support those numbers or simply made them up.
OF COURSE, BUILDING HIS ANTI-ILLEGALS WALL IS A MUST.
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PHART, if you put the cost aside, what do you think of medicare for all?
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