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Started by #487013 [Ignore] 25,Sep,18 15:10
Thoughts? Rumors have been circulating for years as well as numerous jokes. I grew up watching the Cosby show and the stories I heard made me feel sick to my stomach. What a creep, he was a father figure to many of that era. Feels like a betrayal in many ways.

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By onthelose [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 18:29 other posts 
So you are saying that she was so embarrassed by what happened that she buried it in her subconscious for 30 plus years and now all of a sudden she isn't embarrassed and traumatized anymore and can now come forward to tell her story. Isn't she still worried that no one will believe her. Isn't she afraid that all the men will demonize her or call her names. What changed? Ill tell you the dems are afraid roe v wade will be overturned if he gets into the supreme court. They don't think its alright to have 5 conservatives on the court but perfectly as it should be to have 5 dems on the court. They will not be able to legislate using the courts anymore.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 18:38 other posts 
I think you are referring to the Kavannaugh situation in the supreme court right now.
Just a case of a bunch of illegally drunk teens with hormones raging at a party.How the hell they even remember the party is beyond me.
This link talks about a theory,proven wrong about the situation.But it still reads alot of useful info.Fords family kept the home after Kavennaughs mom ruled on their side!
only registered users can see external links

From what I read a WOMAN lawyer has been hired to handle the questions that is a expert in sexual crimes.
This should prevent the Dems from placing blame on the Republicans and ensure a fair and just questioning.
But it is not related to the rest of this particular discussion as they are busy grilling me for not being so liberal. I aint a bad person,we just don't all see thru the same window!
I can't help but wonder,if the democrats were inserting 1 of their own into the courts,would they be grilled this hard? Would the repubs stoop to the level of the liberals with all these accusations? I doubt they would allow their canidate to be questioned at all.
By JustWill [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 09:28 other posts 
You mean like Merrick Garland?
By #562152 27,Sep,18 09:48
By #562152 27,Sep,18 09:50
you forgot what happened to the last supreme court justice nominated by President Obama???
By soundsgreat87 [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 13:23 other posts 
it amazes me that people can blame "the liberals" for "stooping so low" when we have...... clear, obvious, not-that-long-ago proof that the repubs do the exact same thing.

Oh, but I'm sure that's "the media" or something. "Can't trust it." Right?
By phart [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 13:47 other posts 
Sometimes even in fighting forest fires,you use fire to fight fire.
By soundsgreat87 [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 14:33 other posts 
So when republicans do it, it's righteous, but when democrats do it, it's low and reprehensible. Got it!

Supreme court appointments are for *life.* It only makes sense that the candidates are properly vetted beforehand, regardless of party.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Sep,18 12:32 other posts 
To a large degree,I agree they need to be checked out well.
But something that may have happened 36 years ago when the person was still a **** legally, I would think he has had plenty of time to learn from his mistakes and be a better man.
This particular situation smells strong of a witchhunt.
By soundsgreat87 [Ignore] 29,Sep,18 13:06 other posts 
He was in college, and over 18. Not a m i n o r.

I seem to recall similar witchhunts resulting in the impeachment of a sitting president, although that was entirely consensual behavior...
By phart [Ignore] 29,Sep,18 15:15 other posts 
Naw,the Dr Ford thing ,she was 15 he was 17,a minor
By soundsgreat87 [Ignore] 29,Sep,18 15:17 other posts 
Huh, alright.
By phart [Ignore] 30,Sep,18 08:17 other posts 
I am not a word smith and don't know all the fancy words for things.But I read and found the term that properly labels what is going on with this "hearing"
It is called Character Assassination. The idea is to trash someone to manipulate public opinion.
By JustWill [Ignore] 30,Sep,18 09:51 other posts 
It's only Character Assassination when it isn't true. In this particular case the term you are looking for is Honest Appraisal of Character.
By phart [Ignore] 30,Sep,18 15:28 other posts 
No solid evidence has been presented from the first accuser,4 have came forward and said it never happened.Her statements before and during testimony has been filled with maby's and I think so's. It is also strange how she could not make a official statement without a 6 hour visit to her lawyers.IF it was all so clear in her mind,why did she need coaching? Also, what was in that envelope that was passed from 1 of the democrats to her lawyer that is on video? Some are saying it could money for a payoff.Check youtube,there is a video,the democrat was a black lady and she shook hands with the lawyer and handed him a envelope which he put in his coat pocket. Very shady.
I also think it is very sad with all the potential terrorism attacks,school shootings and dr0gdealing and such going on that our FBI has to drop it all to go follow up on 36 year old leads regarding a drunk teenage boy trying to take off a shirt. It is also my understanding that if a guy is so drunk he can't stand up, neither will his dick, so there was no real danger to her anyhow.


By #567021 29,Sep,18 18:00
I gotta agree with Angelofdeath on this one. For us that grew up watching The Cosby Show and maybe even back to Fat Albert; I think many of us do feel betrayed. Almost like memories of our youth being shattered. It’s very sad. And before anyone crucifies me; I’m in no way comparing the memories of our youth being shattered to what his victims were put through. He should rot in prison for his actions. As should any man that f_orces himself on a woman.


By phart [Ignore] 25,Sep,18 20:29 other posts 
If the events those women say they suffered were so dramatic,why was nothing done until now?
What threat is a 80 something year old man now that is damn near blind? Prison,I doubt he will live a year in there. Protection from cruel and unusual punishment is something our constitution protects us from.But to put a 80 something year old man in prison with a bunch of young punks is going to get him killed.
I have no doubt he got alot of pussy back when he was young.
I also doubt those women were to dumb to know or had no idea what they were getting into when they willing went with him to his home or private place and took drugs and had sex.
They could not have been that naive. **** use was and still is common place and sex goes right along with drugs.
Same as casting couches and acting.

I think it was to severe a punishment myself at his age and considering his health. Time already served and probation would have been plenty.Now the tax payers get to keep him up. Which taxpayers would include those women that accused him so ,perhaps there is some karma after all.
By Rose [Ignore] 25,Sep,18 21:49 other posts 
I am speechless! I don't care what his age or health is - he was convicted of a serious crime(s) and deserves to do the time! And you feel that perhaps there is some karma in that those women who are taxpayers now have to pay to have him in jail - that is insane! Karma for being the victim of sexual assault? Would you feel that way if one of the victim's was your mom, ****, cousin, friend? I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life!
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By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 14:15 other posts 
only 1 case was able to be tried in court.The first trial ended in a miss trial.Only after everyone had a chance to fabricate more info was he convicted.You are ignoring the fact the women went willing with him to use dope.it was common practice and still is for people to dope up and fuck.
Why suddenly was it a crime? How many people here have seduced a woman in a bar with a few drinks and took her off somewhere and fucked her? It was ok then,but why suddenly is it not?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 14:19 other posts 
Are you fucking stupid ?
No means no....fuck the who was high stuff...
You seem to think that being out of it excuses Cosby and his behaviour...
And you use the term "seduce" ...really....what you actually mean is that you get a woman drunk and take advantage of her...
You're so blinkered by the male perspective it's dizzying..
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 14:58 other posts 
I can say,I never went to a bar and did any of that crap to a lady.Never saw the logic in forc$ing myself on anyone.

So you think the women willingly getting high is not a issue? Geez, "oh he is going to give me some dope and I am going to take a nap on this sofa while he goes to town to run errands".
By mr_blue [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:02 other posts 
Still not getting the bigger picture are you ?
I sure hope a female in your f@mily never has any abuse come their way,cuz you'll just shrug it off,and say it's the woman's fault for being drunk/high and dismiss any accusations against the dude...

And the woman should be able to go and take a nap without fear of being abus3d..... regardless of whether she is high/dunk.
By bella! [Ignore] 25,Sep,18 22:08 other posts 
I agree with Rose on this, he was convicted by a jury of his peers and the judge had to impose a sentence.

Perhaps you don't understand that there is shame felt by the victim and who she/they accused was a high profile comedian. Who would they believe if one stepped forward. One got her voice and so did 50+ more. Are they going to think all the women crazy? Yes, it is unfortunate that it took 20 years for them to step forward, but again, the victim bears a lot of shame.
By JustWill [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 11:59 other posts 
If women don't wanna be sexually assaulted, then they shouldn't come out of they houses! Walkin' around in public with they titties and they vaginas is just askin' for trubble.
Everybody knows that mens has no control over they urges and stuff.

Honestly, listening to guys of a certain generation give their "perspective" on how women should react to sexual assault is like listening to a white guy talk about how black people are "exaggerating" about shitty treatment by the legal system in 'Merica.
By #275407 27,Sep,18 21:35
I have control, when I see a girl in a bikini, I run to the bushes, under control of course, and masterbate thinking about her
By #525562 28,Sep,18 17:56
I am from that generation and maybe you should pick a more realistic brush when you do your painting.
By JustWill [Ignore] 28,Sep,18 20:04 other posts 
Right...because "realism" is just overflowing in this conversation.
You come from the generation of "Look how she was dressed! She was ASKING to be raped." And "If she didn't want to have sex, why was she even there?" And "Sure I grabbed her ass. She should take it as a compliment."
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 14:16 other posts 
Shame felt by the victim, perhaps that is a area that should be dealt with by parents or loved 1's raising young. Teach the young to protect themselves and not be vulnerable to someone wanting to do anything considered wrong.
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 14:22 other posts 
Shame.....So are you saying that the parents should address the possibility of r@pe to their daughters in their formative years to prepare them for what their future might hold?

Yeah, and parents should warn their ch.ildren people who carry badges and carry fake "credentials" aren't always police or workers for a utility or service company. Get real, phat!
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 14:35 other posts 
Slow down,I am just saying they should not just turn their k1ds loose into the world to learn the hard way they are vulnerable.
If someone steals your car,do you wait 20+ years to report it?
If someone breaks into your house and steals your jewelry box ,do you wait 20+ years to report it?
NO,you report it shortly after it happens so something can be done to rectify the problem.
BUT it appears that with your logic,it is ok to teach the kids to call 9-11 when their car gets stolen,but don't call 9-11 to report their body favors being stolen for at least 20 years,only then will anyone believe you.Even though if you report it soon enough your body and clothing will contain evidence to prove your case and get justice sometime within the current decade.
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:06 other posts 
phart, are you really that thick headed? There is NO SHAME associated with having your car stolen. There is NO SHAME associated with your house being burglarized. R@pe is a crime of extreme vi.olence and whether you want to even be flexible enough to believe it, there IS SHAME felt. If one woman would have stepped forward 20 years ago, yes, it may have prevented many more r@pes that were perpetrated by Mr. Cosby, but it didn't happen. Are you suggesting that there should be a statute of limitations for violent crimes? Women aren't the only victims of this type of crime. What if you were r@ped? Are you positive that you would march yourself down to the authorities so that they could get your statement and process you and your clothing to see if they could determine who your attacker was? Once that is determined, are you willing to sit through all the court proceedings that could go on weeks or months, while having your life placed under a microscope? And anything questionable about your past is presented as evidence in order to discredit you? Yeah, right!
By mr_blue [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:12 other posts 
You've just defeated your own arguments,when a system is so heavily offer in favour of a particular group of people there is shame is asking for help...

Why do people call the police when a possession is stolen,cuz it's likely they have to cuz of insurance...and it's replaceable...
The human psyche is fragile...once it's broken it's hard to fix and it's not replaceable...

So you are basically blaming women for themselves getting abus3d...
You're part of the problem....and you can't even see it..
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:17 other posts 
So you think I'm part of the problem? No, bucko, your line of thinking is the problem.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:18 other posts 
Huh ?
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:27 other posts 
I'm so sorry, I am so revved up that I can't see straight and I THOUGHT I was responding to phart.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 15:50 other posts 
So you are saying women should be taught to bear the shame and the mental burdens of R@pe for a long time because the system is designed that way?
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 16:01 other posts 
I'm not going to cuss you out but I am done talking with STOOPID.
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 16:17 other posts 
And I'm still waiting for you to respond to my question, what would you do if you were sodomized.
By #275407 27,Sep,18 21:40
I would ask the guy to marry me
By bella! [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 23:29 other posts 
I had no idea that he is your type.
By #275407 28,Sep,18 00:32
Whose he, I was making a joke if some1 sodomized me, I guess you didn't understand.
By bella! [Ignore] 28,Sep,18 00:51 other posts 
Hey, I'm sorry, I did not understand. My bad.
By #275407 28,Sep,18 00:59
Nah, that ok, I'm just trying to make every1 smile, to some that don't think I'm funny, sorry if I offended you, but that's me, and I'll never change
By bella! [Ignore] 28,Sep,18 01:07 other posts 
I know what made me smile, the picture in your gallery where you are sticking your tongue out and the "Cousin It" picture, the one where your hair covers your face!
By #275407 28,Sep,18 01:11
By mr_blue [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 16:21 other posts 
Women already bear the shame and the mental burdens....
It's negative re-enforcement...
Women won't report abus3 cuz they get dismissed and stigmatized...even in your previous post you make the assumption that a woman who is high/drunk is basically asking for it...so women are pre disposed to keeping quiet...
And when they do come forward like Christine Blasey Ford they have to suffer bismirching of their name/credibility...
Even stormy Daniels is suffering from it... people think cuz she was a porn star her opinion is crap,and snide comments from people like Lindsey Graham saying Avenetti is just a lawyer for pornstars...it re-enforces an image that certain groups are not worthy of being listened to.
Even trump is part of the problem...he got caught on tape saying "grab "em by the pussy" FFS...and people still dismissed it...
So yeah, women going up against a male dominated system is difficult...
By JustWill [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 17:55 other posts 
Folks like phart don't get it, alex. They never will. They either lack the capacity for empathy required to understand the trauma that victims of sexual assault suffer with, they lack the intellect needed to comprehend that sexual assault harms the victim emotionally and mentally as well as physically (it is NOT the same as having your car stolen FFS!), or they just refuse to admit that "guys will be guys" is not a valid excuse for victimizing another person.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 18:06 other posts 
The order of the responses on this thread system is frustrating, Mr Blue,I am sorry she mistook your response to me as being yours.
Bella,I would report what happened,if I had no way of finding and shooting the son of a bitch myself.
Why in the hell would I want to stew for decades about what happened and the crook walk around bragging? Even after justice is given,the mental pain would still be there.I would just know perhaps he will get a dose of his own medicine behind bars.
The little sumbitch that bullied me in school and caused a brain concussion and a week in the hospital got his wake up call when I came close to killing him in shop class. He was a problem student,stayed in the principles office all the time, but when I sunk a hammer into a cement block wall and the chips went in his right ear,he saw the light. And that was a 2 pound hammer thrown 20 feet.Went down in the block wall,probably be there till the school is torn down. He Was not a problem anymore.Actually his grades improved and he went on to own a roofing company.Actually did our roof twice so far in 30 years.Quality work,when I need another roof,I will give him a call.So when I say I would probably take care of the problem,I have experience in taking care of some.That was just 1 example that I can talk about.

I do not support abuse or use of women against their will and have no understanding of a man that would want to.And if the case is handled promptly so there is no shadow of doubt,a stiff punishment is due for the crime.
But waiting so long, makes no sense.You tell me about shame and systems working against women? DUH,what is the METO movement doing? Working against that mindset. WHY in the hell did it take DECADES for women to say enough is enough? Women are strong,smart and hard working and capable of greatness.But until just recently,let something happen to them and they hide behind their petty coats and the fact they are female and the laws are written in their favor.
IF I was rap#d,and I went to the law, I seriously doubt a damn thing would be done. But they best not make the mistake of showing me any info to help find the crook,or it will be solved with a good funeral,the crooks, as I am a purty good shot even with open sights.

Now that I have honestly answered your question,and also tried to explain I in no way support **** against women,
Bella,or other women here that want to respond,Would YOU wait 20 years? Would you lay in wait until the crook got to the higher rungs of the social ladder and come out with the info?
By bella! [Ignore] 26,Sep,18 23:10 other posts 
NOW HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING ME WHEN YOU REPLY TO mr_blue? Also, I already apologized to mr_blue publicly and privately. I apologize for my own words or actions when I'm wrong.

OKAY, that out of the way, let's set the record straight, a r@pist is a r@pist and not a crook. A r@pist is a perpetrator of a very heinous crime. A crook is the person that steals your car and breaks into your home. See, you are trying to MINIMIZE the crime of r@pe once again.

I don't know what I would do if I were r@ped, I really don't. And my guess is that if you were sodomized, you wouldn't be taking your tore up, spunked up ass down to the police station to possibly be leered at and snickered about because some deranged man or men had their way with your ass. You know, you might have been "asking for it".
By phart [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 09:04 other posts 
You speak of shame the victims bear.
Where is the shame of the first victim for not speaking up and preventing the future r@pes?
You and anyone else that knew they could have stepped up to the plate and prevented these crimes and let it happen because of "shame" would only add to the burden you bear.
think about that before you blast me to hard.
Crook,criminal, rap1st, all the same.All have committed crimes.
By #545732 27,Sep,18 15:03
Phart, without meaning any disrespect to you, I can tell you from experience that speaking up about something like that happening to you really isn't as black and white or simple as you'd think.
I can't believe I'm actually disclosing this about myself, but I feel too strong about it not to.
In 1997, I was still "in the closet" and made my first venture alone to a gay bar. I was being served at the bar and a local guy next to me heard my accent and that struck up the start of a nice, friendly chat. He was a nice guy and we ended up having a couple of drinks together, but after a short while, I began to feel totally out of it and it turned out he'd spiked my drink with something. That's pretty much the last thing I remember of the bar. The guy and his friend subjected me to roughly a day and a half of abvse, and I don't mean just very rough sex, I mean hateful abvse, until I managed to make a run for it whilst they were arguing in another room.
I ended up a wreck. Off work for months with severe depression, eventually losing my job due to not being able to face going outside because of the anxiety the experience left me with. Even though I did NOTHING to encourage it, I still felt ashamed and too scared to mention it to anyone until just last year - 20 years later. There hasn't been a day since then when it hasn't crept into my mind at some point, and I was too afraid and insecure to let anyone near me until I met a good guy years later. Even then, my hang-ups as a result of it affected my relationship so much that we split up.
So I can totally understand those women not speaking up sooner. Speaking up about something you know will open up a can of worms for you and especially if it involves someone in the public eye like Cosby is damn scary, plus those women had to defend their accusations as if they're the criminals because the argument against them was "how could they truly know for sure it happened if they were unconsciouss throughout the experience...".
The justice those women Cosby abvsed is a fucking joke! His sentence pretty much equates at roughly a couple of months, if that, for each woman he r@ped? That's not justice. He gets 3-10 years and they get a life sentence - they're being abvsed all over again by the system with that ruling.
Like I said at the start of this post, I don't mean any disrespect or offence. He deserves a harsher punishment and those women deserve better justice.
By kebmo [Ignore] 27,Sep,18 19:16 other posts 
Whoknows, Thank you for sharing your story.
By #562152 27,Sep,18 20:49
Whoknows, I'm so sorry for your pain. Thank you for having the courage to share.
By bella! [Ignore] 28,Sep,18 11:41 other posts 
Your courage to share that story speaks to the strength you gain each day.
By #562152 27,Sep,18 20:53
Where do you get off thinking the first victim is responsible for catching the pervert?
By #562152 27,Sep,18 20:46
It's well know by psychologists, police, prosecutors, and counselors that victims of sexual a b u s e take a long time to overcome their shame, fear,and self blame before they report the crime. Sometimes (66%) they never do
By #562152 27,Sep,18 20:58
Phart,so,how many women you know, at that age, are able to think they can take care of a bully, let alone pick up a 2lb hammer and throw it at someone?
By #562152 27,Sep,18 21:02
Phart, and, as usual, you argue that a victim should get a gun and shoot the sob. It's rediculous,but,if that happened, the victim would loose her life to prison for being a victim. Good advice, Phart
By phart [Ignore] 28,Sep,18 11:23 other posts 
Shooting the sob was not meant as advice for others,I just explained how I would deal with it.
As for the first victim speaking up to prevent,I don't get off thinking they are responsible for catching the pervert,although I do believe they should reconsider their silence when others are risk of suffering the same injury they did. It is the laws responsibility to catch the crook,pervert,whatever,but they can' if all the victims sit at home and suffer in silence.
Whoknows,did you consider counseling or anything of that sort other than going thru police?
Rather anyone here believes it or not,it does help me and others to understand the other side of the coin ONCE someone takes the time to explain. How can anyone understand either side of the problem when no 1 speaks up but the haters and the hated like me?
By #545732 28,Sep,18 20:03
Hiya Phart. I'm so glad you didn't take my response as dig at you. I was worried about that.
I did consider the counselling route many times over the years, but just like most people who go through something like that, I couldn't bring myself to talk about it and as time went by, the prospect of doing so was overpowered by the thought of bringing it all to the surface again would be too much - almost like I'm giving them their power over me and reliving the pain all over again, so keeping it to myself and doing my best to bury it away in my mind instead just seemed easier to cope with.
Also, I couldn't cope with the possible changes in how people close to me would regard me once I confided in them. I **** the idea of being thought of as a victim or pitied because, once again, that's something that would mean the bastards who did it to me still have power over me. And, once I tell just one person about it, that information is out there forever and I'd never know where it spreads to, which is empowering them again too.
I had a nervous breakdown last year and that's how I came to finally confide in just two people - my m0ther and my ex boyfriend. Once I told them, it helped me tell the psychiatrist, who I was under the care of during my breakdown.
When I first started posting my pics on here, that was a kind of counselling for me in a way. I was taking back control of how and what I allow people to see and know about me. The comments and compliments gave me back the feeling of knowing I wasn't just a piece of meat like those guys treated me. I know that sounds over the top, but it's true.
Sorry about my rambling, but one last thing...
For years since that experience, I periodically go through times when depression about it where I Google for past news reports of similar attacks on guys in the area I was living in, or police reports asking for witness information about them in the hope of finding the bastards. I never have found anything and I don't know how I'd react now if I did.
Anyway, thanks for reading.
By phart [Ignore] 29,Sep,18 12:29 other posts 
Someone taking the time to explain another side of a issue to me is not going to be taken as a "dig".
According to alot of pages of a 650 page stack of paperwork regarding my accident and the treatments afterwards I am diagnosed as severely depressed and medicine and treatments and counseling were recommended and I refused. So I understand the weeks that a person feels done under the landfill in the sub-terrain.


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