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The Liberals and democrats and greenies think that handing the governments more money in carbon tax is going to change the temperture of the earth.
Who really is going to make out like a bandit in this equation?
Most councils here wont back burn or let anyone clean 'fuel' from around their house for fear of the 'greenies' all getting bent out of shape.. you cant even pick up the wood on the side of the road and take home and burn??? now we suffer with these intense infernos, that kill everything in their path, as the wild life doesn't have time to get out of the way, and its decimated spots to the point of the trees just aren't growing back, because everything has been destroyed. I blame most of what we are 'suffering' and I mean all the soft arses that have to sit in an air conditioned office for fear of 'god help them', working up a sweat... I even see people who refuse to stop their car and turn off the air con, because theyre too 'delicate' to embrace a few degrees of discomfort ??? schools now are softening up the kids and providing them all with 'cooled' rooms instead of letting them learn that life isn't always 'perfect'... I get sickened nearly every day by being built out and over populated, we need to stop having so many kids and stop using limited resources, like we don't care about what comes next.. and who cares if we can feed the masses in 30 plus years??? we're already running out of room and putting native animals and plant species in danger... so what happens when we're all so jammed in like sardines and starving, or suffering from lack of toilet paper in this over arse wiped society?? people have no conscience of where food comes from, or how ethical animal welfare is around the raring and killing of your family meal and whether or not your waste is being recycled or tipped properly? no one ever really cares about what theyre lifestyles impacts on things around them.. I think every generation leaves it up the next to fix and no one wants to do what is needed to stop capitalism and reduce our every expending take over of the world.. *Lix*
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The climate has been changing since the Earth formed.And it will continue.Because like any attempt at a perpetual motion machine will show you,nothing goes on forever.The planets orbit the sun,they are and will change their orbits.The sun is changing,thus affecting our climate.Did we create the sunspots?
Think a bit,just think. NOTHING stays the same.Nothing.
Oil reserves that have been forming over millions of years being burned in a hundred years and about 46% world deforestation is a man made disaster that changes the climate much more.
Humanity emits about 40 billion tons of CO2 per year (not including wildfires). That is 4 times more than the world record of wildfires in 1997. All those wild fires in California last year, produced only 0.5 billion tons, of the total 7.5 billion tons of CO2 (from all wildfires in the world). only registered users can see external links
That means the use of fossil fuels produces 80 times more CO2 per year then the wildfires in California did. And you keep thinking that doesn't have an effect on the climate?
The effects of humanity on the climate are absolutely clear:
You once said before that you don't listen to politicians, but only trust you own experiences. That can't be the reason, because you were not alive 'since the Earth formed'. Your argumentation is fact free, right wing propaganda from professional climate change deniers.
Still, you probably don't make money from denying climate change yourself, so you must have another reason for your self-denial. Is it fear or is it just effective indoctrination from right wing media?
I see the weaponization of the climate change hoax to further control the population.To put folks back on bicycles instead of enjoying what modern tech has to offer.I see it affecting peoples choices in what they can drive,how far they can travel in a day,what they can eat,what they can wear.Have you not read the articals about car manufactors deleting leather interiors from the options list to "go green"?
Have you not read about the deletetion of meat from the human diet being 1 of the goals of the new green deal?
Look at your daily life. The object you are typing on to criticize me is made of plastic.Where did plastic come from? OIL.
The clothes you wear, how was the cotton planted and harvested? Using deisel engines.
The shoes you wear,do you like having to pay $$$ for shoes every couple months because the organic fibers rot right off your feet instead of being able to buy a leather boot or shoe that will give you your moneys worth in time?
Do you want your road trips limited to 300 miles or less a day? What do you do with the rest of the day being at 60 miles an hour you are only going to be able to drive 5 hours a day? Heck,the last long trip I took I drove 650 miles in 1 day ,BEFORE I had to stop and fill up the gas tanks.
study the power grid here in the US and tell me if you think it is up to the challenge of chargeing the electric cars.Members of my family helped install the grid here on the east coast,once it was "finished " in the late 80's,there has been no major upgrades.It takes alot of grid to support every household charging a car.
I could go on and on,but you have to stop looking at graphs and listening to scientist for a moment and look around in YOUR own space and think about the long term effects of your ideas and decisions.
Give the free market time,and alot of people with short commutes will be in electric cars.
It's not just about climate change. You also don't want to be bothered by the environment, animal cruelty or the extortion of people in poor countries that make your products.
It's just a very selfish world view.
And another thing, the tech for electric vehicals is Just barely becomeing practical for commuting cars.Rv'ing is still years away from being practical with electric.
And I am not "selfish" as the other 1 says.I don't where that rant came from. ANd it is not "believing" in anything.If it was real,it would be obvious.Like are Ghost real? Show me 1. Is climate change real,"oh here is a graph,here is some carbon in some ice" .Well there are photos that show unexplained "spirits" to.
We don't agree on alot,but at least both sides get a idea of how the other thinks.And I am so thankful I was able to enjoy the better part of my life with a 4 barrel carburetored honking V8 instead of a buzz box that would sound as awesome as my 79 Ez-go.
Asking whether people believe in global warming makes it sound like some sort of religion. Science is humanity's best attempt at finding the facts. I would like to point out that your car, phone, computer, everything that surrounds you works because of science, so it has proven to be pretty reliable. You wouldn't be reading this if science wasn't trustworthy.
Scientists overwhelmingly agree that global warming is happening, and humanity's contribution is shifting the natural cycle to a degree that, over time (a long time, mind you), threatens our survival as a species. We (meaning humanity) are so sure of this that there is no longer any point in debating the question. Our attention needs to shift to what we can do about it.
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I don't know if I can post a link here, but XKCD illustrates pretty well why you should be worried about the ongoing climate changes, even though the earth's climate does change in natural cycles, and we have had both warm and cold periods before.
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Now, to take my own advice, what you should do about it is:
1) Avoid flying airplanes, except in emergencies. A vacation is not an emergency.
2) Drive an electric car, if you can afford one. They're better than petrol cars in most respects, anyway.
3) If your country's electricity mix is coal or oil based, install solar or wind power if possible.
4) Eat vegetables and fish or, if you have to have meat, chicken or pork. Avoid beef and lamb, as they generate methane, a powerful greenhouse gas.
5) Vote for green policies, if you have a chance. The world will eventually move away from fossil fuels in any case (it's profitable), but it will happen much faster if we provide incentives.
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And with that, I'll get back to looking for people who appreciate a nice, long foreskin...
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Except for 6) Buy second hand, whenever possible. I forgot that one...
......It's worth remembering however, that while science itself can generally be trusted the same does NOT apply to many scientists (not to mention politicians)
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However, as you are being carried towards the sea after a sunami ; I don’t think you’ll care if the local priest gives you absolution
We use about half our produced power ourselves and the other half is 1 on 1 deducted from the power we use from the grid.
Early 2021, I can calculate exactly how much money we saved with our panels.
Also,unlike the AGM lead acid batterys i buy from him that can be sold for recycle,Lithum cost him 80 cent a pound to get rid of!
Going green,looks good in the short term,but getting rid of the stuff later is exspensive
Our panels have a 10 year manufacturers warranty, 10 year warranty for 90% power output and a 25 year warranty for 80% power output. I trust that they've got the recycling figured out by then.
What do you charge your batteries with? If you live in a windy area, you could make a cheap wind turbine yourself. If you're completely off grid, that's handy.
Climate change has been happening since the world began (how that began is another debate) but we are speeding up the proces with what we have been doing thus not giving nature and us the time to adjust to the change.
Your tips will help to reduce the impact;
One tip from me; if you can grow your own vegetables: no transport needed and it tastes better; and that is personal experience.
Are we saying that had no effect and suddenly now our cleaner lives are?
If the climate was getting colder i think it would be more of a worry!
We live on the Earth, it doesn't live to sustain us....
If a scientist wants money for a project he has to add climate change or go begging. (cynical i know)!
WHY?
Do you think climate scientists are STUPID or DISHONEST?
Why would anyone give money to scientists to invent nonsense and then spread lies
for eighty years? And how do they continuously acquiring more evidence and make predictions that turn out to be very accurate decades later?
Don't you think scientists would like to do something more USEFUL, if it wasn't true?
Wouldn't you? Do you distrust people that much?
Do you think only that 1% of climate scientists HIRED BY OIL COMPANIES are right?
Oil and coal have been the most lucrative business in history. The whole economy ran or still runs on it. Why would they want to change that? It was even scientists employed by the oil companies who raised the alarm on the climate first. Not a smart strategy to say your employer is destroying the world, if you want to KEEP YOUR JOB!
Would they lie for the money? The average wage of climate scientist is $63,817.
Well educated people can make a whole lot more than that. A pharmaceutical scientist makes $91,206 on average. If they want to make money, they should work for the oil industry and make at least $100,000. Or if they just like lying and think science is too difficult, they could become a lobbyist and make on average $128,438.
The industrial revolution caused a lot of lung disease in the people of London. It even caused moths to change their color to black. Still, global CO2 emissions at that time were a tiny fraction of what it is now. That is because now 89% people in the world have electricity, industry has developed all over the world and not in just a few big cities. Humanity has grown to 7.7 billion people now, which was 1 billion around 1800.
And even if the modern world has switched to oil for the most part, there are still cities thick with smog: only registered users can see external links
And I will add something else; bustyman44d says: "We are still in the process of leaving our last ice age". How do you know? Because of SCIENTISTS!!!!
The same scientists who tell you climate change is real and it is caused by our unprecedented CO2 emissions.
Don't you think they know about ice ages?
We are indeed at the end of the last ice age, that lasted until about 11,700 years ago. However the last 2000 years was pretty stable, although there was a 'medieval warm period' (of about +0.5°C) and after that the 'Little ice age' (of about -0.2°C). Those took several hundreds of years. Now (2017) we have shot up to +1°C in about a hundred years. It's almost certain we will not reach the Paris Climate Agreement goal of max. +1.5°C and will need to do a lot to limit the increase to max. +2°C.
So is it hotter now than it ever was? No, it was hotter in the 'Cretaceous Hot Greenhouse', roughly 92 million years ago. That was probably caused by widespread volcanic activity that boosted atmospheric carbon dioxide.
The last spike in temperature, although a bit less extreme, was the 'Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum' (PETM), about 55-56 million years ago. That has been attributed to a massive methane (CH4) release from marine gas hydrate reservoirs.
So why are scientists concerned? Because those previous hot periods either happened very slowly or were set off by a natural disaster, that set in motion a chain reaction. Humanity IS the natural disaster now, because we have increased CO2 levels to unprecedented levels. That way we can set off another chain reaction.
This happens when forests die, when permafrost thaws and rots (-> CH4) or when marine gas hydrate reservoirs are released. We are adding to the problem with our man made deforestation.
But, life survived back then, so why not now?
Sure, life survived, but many species didn't. Also huge areas of land were
under water, because the sea level was at least 45 m higher than today.
That would be a problem, because most big cities are on the coasts.
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If you prefer to believe someone with no exeperience or qualifications or relevant study, that is generally lazy and cant be bothered throwing their own garbage in a bin - NO
Vote - oil industry lobby $$$$ - you know they care
Do you trust NASA to get people to Mars - Yes
Do you trust NASA to identify climate change - No, its a communist conspiracy to get fat useless people out of their cars so that when they invade we wont be able to get home to get our guns.
Every so often enough evidence would come up to debunk the name so they just changed it and moved along.
Solving climate change is a bit more difficult, but just changing the source of power for our houses and industry to renewable energy would be enough to make a big improvement. Does that really sound so problematic?
If the US puts their head in the sand, turns away from science and progress and lets the rest of the world figure it out, than you will loose your significance in the world, you will fall behind more and more, other powers will take over as leaders of the world, everyone will drop the dollar to do business in, you will be isolated politically and see your your jobs shipped overseas even more.
Is this America first or will you just be the biggest losers in the world?
Nasa knows what they are paid to know.
Government funded.
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And while at it......FACEBOOK? Never heard of that scientific publication.
Then they gain access to US systems on the back of it.
Why not have them roll up at DC?
They have ridiculed him relentlessly over there. In China too, the communist party
is showing Trump as their best example that democracy is an inferior system.
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