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Started by bella! [Ignore] 20,May,18 18:36  other posts
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By phart [Ignore] 11,Jul,22 13:38 other posts 
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Imagine people just milling around on YOUR property.Would you feel safe?
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 11,Jul,22 15:55 other posts 
That's what the holes in the ground are for...

A JohnS nest
By #610414 12,Jul,22 13:20
Phart, this person owns over 54,000 acres close to the border. The only time she might see illegals is if she’s riding somewhere in her ranch. Do you think the footprints might be in Spanish?
By phart [Ignore] 12,Jul,22 14:18 other posts 
So just because she owns alot of desert means she should not care if illegals are on her land?
Have you ever been sued?
If 1 of those illegals trips on a fence wire,they can sue her. And they are not even here legally.
What if they break into a shed and steal a farm truck and run off with it?
Who pays for it? Insurance? And then who pays higher premiums? US.

When you own land, and you fence it in, it is yours, and others are supposed to respect your boundaries and not cross them. Of c course the illegals don't even respect a nations border,so It is asking to much to respect private property I guess.
By #610414 12,Jul,22 16:39
And you know that whole ranch was fenced because?
By phart [Ignore] 12,Jul,22 18:53 other posts 
Why would it not be?
and even if it's not,no one should be there that doesn't belong.
By #610414 13,Jul,22 08:27
Be reasonable, baby. How would an illegal know it’s private property and even then, would you go around or would you just cross it?
By dgraff [Ignore] 13,Jul,22 05:24 other posts 
Sounds like a good place for a Mexican pigeon shoot to me get your shot guns out boys and don’t forget to use buckshot
By phart [Ignore] 13,Jul,22 09:54 other posts 
Yea, we could always call it a wild boar hunt!


By phart [Ignore] 12,Jul,22 21:19 other posts 
Oil closed today july 12th at $95.84
Wholesale gas, 3.26
Now, the reason I bring this up is that biden is going over to the middle east to "ask", more like "beg" the arabs to make more oil. note the date of this web article.
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Note the dates of this web article.
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The price fell today, BEFORE biden made the trip.
BUT I am willing to bet, that the media will try to make it appear this is a result of bidens visit, which has not happened yet.thus a destined to fail attempt to save votes perhaps?

And to top it off, the opec folks had already decided to increase production 50% in july.
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What did I tell you!
Here it is! They take the credit,but not the blame!
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By #574505 11,Jul,22 14:16
only registered users can see external links so Biden family caught on a lie
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 11,Jul,22 15:56 other posts 
MSLSD and the rest of the lib media will cover for it... but it is already becoming a mess they cannot ignore. Hunter's laptop is just full of shocking things!

A junkie for a son.


By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 11,Jul,22 08:42 other posts 
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Has to be the BIGGEST loser in the history of NYC Best part of the article:

The source noted that there were no threats against the former mayor “besides the millions of New Yorkers who hate him and would like to punch him in the face.”

Fuck this guy. He has ZERO chance of getting elected to US Congress.


By kebmo [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 01:45 other posts 
Besides former prime minister Abe, only one other person
was shot to death in Japan in the last year.

-CBC News
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 08:25 other posts 
But,the shooting proves the point,if a man wants to kill another man,he will find a way,with or without regulations.
By Andthisisme [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 10:56 other posts 
Oh F.F.S !!!!
By #610414 09,Jul,22 11:57
Double FFS!!!! No one is saying murder won’t happen, but, doesn’t it say something that Japan has 2 gun victims while the US had over 40,000?
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 15:44 other posts 
So what motivated these guns to jump out of their hiding places?
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violence is world wide,hatred is world wide,taking away Americans guns is not going to do anything but kick the can down the road.
You have got to get people to understand the value of life and take away the desire to destroy it.
By JustWill [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 12:36 other posts 
That "point" is as idiotic as it has always been.
If someone wants to steal something or set fire to your house, they will find a way to do that, too.
Are you suggesting that we shouldn't bother making laws to regulate those activities as well?
In the entire country of Japan--which has strict gun regulation--only two people--TWO--have been shot to death in the past year!
Here in the US, at least 10 times that many people have probably been shot since I began typing this post.
The actual "point"--as anybody who is capable of logical thought should be able to see--is that regulation of guns DOES reduce shooting deaths.
Unless, of course, you believe that the people of Japan, Austrailia, New Zealand, the UK, etc. are just better people than we Americans are...
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 13:29 other posts 
Anyone capable of logical thinking knows the desire to kill and harm is the real problem.
Taking away the tools,just makes it a little more challenging.
By JustWill [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 13:38 other posts 
So why are you and the rest of the "Thoughts and Prayers" patrol so against making it "more challenging"?
The "real problem" is that people like you are willing to make it as easy as possible for them to harm or kill as many as they can in the shortest time...
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 13:59 other posts 
No everytime there is a shooting,you want to take everyones guns away that didn't do it.The honest,working Americans that have a constitutional right to have guns.
If you tried to take them all up,only the honest people would give them up.The crooks,being they don't obey the law,won't, so you will have 10's of 1000's more soft targets for the crooks.
By kebmo [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 16:25 other posts 
Phart, I read what you said and I understand what you said but what you said does not hold true in Japan, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand or any other country in the world that has fairly stringent gun laws. Why do you think that is?

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Oh, I know why, it’s because other constitutions don’t have gun ownership as a citizen’s right. If only there was a way to change the constitution…
By admin [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 00:32 other posts 
But you do realize that Russia, Brazil, Venezuela and several other countries with much stricter gun laws than US, have 2-3 more gun murders per capita than USA? More than half of gun deaths in US are suicides, not murders.

And constitutions are there for a reason. If you start changing constition, where do you stop? They changed constitutions in Russia and Venezuela so that the president can be president indefinitelly and they are now dictatures.
By bella! [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 08:22 other posts 
Do you have an opinion on why countries with stricter gun laws would have higher murder rates?

Is it possible that Canada, Australia and the European countries are just blessed to be populated with people that are more civilized than the people living in the United States? In my mind, I feel like the world views American folks as excessive, lazy, rude, gun toting, barbarians.
By admin [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 08:59 other posts 
Well, due to my background I know something about statistics and factor analysis. So it kinda bugs me when someone just takes limited sample and deducts a lot from it. But it also makes hard to answer your question. I could push my own narrative, but I know that an answer to your question requires thorough analysis with a lot of data which I do not have.

I'd say murder rates is just slightly correlates with gun availability, it probably correlates more with low level of living, because crime levels usually heavily correlate with it, and also correlates a lot with cultural peculiarities.

Switzerland has a lot of guns and very liberal gun ownership laws, but there is little of gun violence. I'd say the disparity among it's population is less than in US, less desperate people to commit crimes. Also it's more homogeneous culturally. In US black ghettos and in some mostly white rural regions like Apalaches they still have ancient tribe mentality that requires to be ready to prove with violence that you are a man and should be reckoned with. I bet this mind set is not common in Switzerland.

Also, if you glorify violence on TV and especially glorify mass shooters, it should not be a surprise that some take it as encouragement. I don't think there is a study about that, but I know of study about suicides, they essentially increase among young people after some suicide becomes popular on the news. It's way outside margin of error. It's called "The Werther Effect", you can google it if you want. I'd say it should be the same if even not more with violence glorification.

There may be other factors I'm missing and can't figure out without comprehensive statistical analysis for which, as I said, I do not have data.
By #666999 10,Jul,22 18:38
You sound smart, but you are mendacious:

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It's no surprise to most of us that there is a "robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates". Have you ever considered that it's Switzerland that is an outlier, rather than the opposite? Having gone to Uni with a Swiss guy that is a shit argument to propose: All healthy Swiss men aged between 18 and 34 are OBLIGED to do military service and all are issued with assault rifles or pistols which they are supposed to keep at home. So ... of course gun ownership rates are super-high. Got a better example?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 10:30 other posts 
Why do you feel the world views Americans as excessive,lazy,rude gun toting barbarians?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 08:56 other posts 
They changed the American constitution to abolish slavery...
So where do you stop? constitutions made without true democratic representatives are the problem!!
That's why Russia, Venezuela etc get fucked,cuz it's really a dictatorship disguised as democracy....
By admin [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 09:13 other posts 
Yeh, that's what I heard from Venezuelans before they become dictatorship - "we are not like other countries, we are better then this, it will never happen with us". Venezuela was a democratic country with checks and balances and it was most prosperous and most developed country in 1980es-90es on South America continent. And this is not the only example. How about Germany under Hitler? Was they also not civilized enough? One of the most developed both culturally and technologically nation of Europe at that time.

Also, I do not think you understand how it all works. Constitutions are meant to limit democracy, that's exactly their purpose. Pure democracy turns into dictatorship in a blink of an eye. Masses of any country are always ready to vote for a lying populist.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 09:28 other posts 
Constitutions guarantee rights at any particular time,things change over time.
Take slavery as the example in America....
No country has pure democracy, that's the problem,we vote for other people to represent us,they change the rules to suit themselves,so call it any number of things, theocracy, dictatorship, people in power will always protect their position unless they are held to account.....
People are sheep,they follow....the ones that should lead,are not interested in leading, that's why they should be leaders..... people who seek power are already corrupted,and that comes from indoctrination in their beliefs that they are superior than others.
By #666999 10,Jul,22 17:46
"Constitutions are meant to limit democracy." - unsubstantiated bollocks.

"Pure democracy turns into dictatorship in a blink of an eye." - unsubstantiated bollocks.

"Masses of any country are always ready to vote for a lying populist." - unsubstantiated bollocks.

You have an unusual way of making your points, regardless of whether it's in your tertiary language or not.

Nonetheless, you seem to be advocating for NO change to the US Second Amendment. As King Lear said: "that way madness lies".

Put it this way: if, for every 50 people killed by a firearm in the US, they had a Day of Remembrance where nobody went to work they would do fuck all, all year. ALL YEAR! The most recent available figures show 53 people are killed each day by a firearm in the US (Source: CDC). If you think the status quo is hunky dory you're complacent, at best.
By #666999 10,Jul,22 09:02
I wouldn't normally comment on matters such as these, but that's such nonsense I feel compelled to. If you want to make comparisons by all means do so - but compare like with like. The US is (or is supposed to be) a modern, affluent, Western democracy. So compare it's gun deaths to those of other modern, affluent, Western democracies. Then you can see there's a problem.

As for not changing the "constition" (sic) - you're kidding, right? The right to bear arms is an AMENDMENT. Perhaps you should invest in a thesaurus. Or maybe you think the 13th amendment was a bad move? Or how about the 18th?

The US needs change, unless you're content with the carnage that's being repeatedly wrought.

As for Bella's point: I don't believe US folk are barbarians. You have a similar percentage of disturbed citizens as most other, similar, nations but you allow those folk to tote assault rifles and automatic (or semi-automatic) weapons. Guess what then ensues?

Culturally, there might be a point to be made that (unless you're of Native American descent) your collective psyche might (deep down) realise that the land you all live on was stolen from it's original inhabitants and you exist, as a Nation, through force alone. I'll leave aside the fact that some of your original, Western, settlers were also religious fanatics that Europe was glad to see piss off.
By admin [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 11:10 other posts 
Pointing out bad vocabulary to win an argument with someone who speaks English as tertiary language at may be B-2 level is not a win one should be proud of.

You are picking a sample to fit your narrative. What exactly are "modern, affluent, Western democracy" you are suggesting to compare US with? Japan that 70 years ago was a totalitarian empire where pilots suicide bombed US ships for the glory of the emperor and soldiers were cutting Chinese prisoners to pieces just for fun? Or is it Belgium that brutally exploited Congo and performed genocide of 10 million people there just 150 years ago?

Also, why should they be more justifiably compared to US, a country that has a very unique intense history, very different from old European countries?

And overall, if you think that 200 years of relatively civilized existence can somehow overturn 5 millions years of evolution, it's just a superiority complex speaking. It's OK, all neurotypical people have it. I don't blame you for it, I just want you to know that 99% of differences that you think you have with Venezuelans or even some primitive African or Amazonian tribe are imaginary. So called Western democracies can be turned into very ugly dictatorships within 10-15 years, if proper narrative wins.

I'm now tired of this theme, it is difficult for me to argue complex conceptions in language that I do not think in. So I will not continue.
By #666999 10,Jul,22 15:17
I wasn't having a go at your vocabulary, I was quoting you, so used "sic" to show I wasn't repeating your spelling mistake. Touchy, much?

You picked a sample to fit your narrative. Why did you pick those particular Nations (Russia, Brazil and Venezuela) to make YOUR point? If you think any of those are close analogues to the US you would need to provide evidence to that effect. I'm not sure what your problem is with "modern, affluent, Western democracy". Is it the adjectives or the noun that you think are inaccurate? Last time I checked Japan wasn't Western, by the way.

You assert that the US has a "very unique intense history, very different from old European countries". Any evidence that you would like to present, or is that just an opinion?

How do you know I don't have Aspergers, or any other condition that might make me non-neurotypical? That is, as you probably already know, an ad hominem attack. Play the ball, not the man.

If you're interested I had an email today from a guy I follow: a US citizen, a gun-owner and a member of the NRA. He proposes a 28th Amendment to repeal and replace the 2nd Amendment. At first, cursory, glance it looks like an interesting proposition. See? Things in a Constitution can be AMENDED!
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 10:16 other posts 
Well stated Admin
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 15:10 other posts 
agreed

Just as admin brought up, the gun violence is popular in the "poor" sections of towns and states .but the only time you hear of gun violence is when there is a major shooting.
2 people dyeing don't make it on the news. but 4, oh yea, mass shooting.
It is my understanding that chicago has alot of gun violence.just as it did in the 20's. nothing changed but the color of the people shooting.
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 15:57 other posts 
BLM, Biden, media- 100% do not give a fuck about black on black crime


By #610414 10,Jul,22 11:39
Who thinks Old Joe should not run for a second term. And whom do you think would make a good president. This is for Republicans and Democrats. A reason for your pics would be appreciated.
Let me start. I don’t think Biden should run again. I like California’s Governor Newsome.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 12:01 other posts 
I do not feel like biden should run again.
I would like to see a stong younger woman run as the candidate or with the presidential candidate such as Kristi Noem.
Of course Trump would great.but his age is of concern.
And the dems sadly will not accept him or work him which would result in lack of progress. so wait and see if he runs or who he supports.
But 1 of the reasons i want to see a woman run, is to get that notion that a woman can't do it out of the way so the liberals can't whine any more about that.
the whining and hatred are getting in the way of progress.
So fix that
By dgraff [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 14:01 other posts 
Sleeping old joe should definitely not run again and I would hope his family would keep him from doing so we don’t need any one from California in or any were near Washington DC it’s to close to were i live I think Vladimir Putin would make a great president for 2024
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 14:56 other posts 
I was beginning to respect putin until he invaded ukraine. And even then I held back thinking perhaps he knew something we didn't. But when he started bombing schools and shelters, it was obvious his mind is shot and he has turned to shit.
By #610414 10,Jul,22 15:23
Good,Phart. I like that.


By #574505 08,Jul,22 10:46
Joe is really a fuck up only registered users can see external links
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 08,Jul,22 12:08 other posts 
Biden is so senile he can't find China on a map. He thought he was sending to California
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jul,22 13:11 other posts 
The man is just bonkers.
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 08,Jul,22 18:27 other posts 
Biden AKA Ron Burgundy reading off the teleprompter today... what a fucking moron!



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By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 08:25 other posts 
Yea, I had just read about that. old blunder man did it again.
By Sir-Skittles [Ignore] 10,Jul,22 13:22 other posts 
Brandon and his Beggar's Cup will be landing in Riyadh this Friday!

We had 100% energy independence until Biden took over. He fucked us on day one listening to a bunch of muppets.
By #610414 08,Jul,22 15:14
Jamie, we need foreign currency. Ours is not worth anything
By #574505 08,Jul,22 15:19
Probably so
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jul,22 22:25 other posts 
Why aint the mexicans bringing their peso's with them?
By #574505 08,Jul,22 23:23
Because they aren't worth even to light a match..
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,22 08:26 other posts 
By #610414 09,Jul,22 09:15
Jamie the economy is tanking, granted, but, it could turn around. Look at this, what Obama handed Trump in 2017.
At the start of Donald Trump’s presidency in January 2017, the economy was healthy.

Employers had added jobs for 76 months straight — the longest hiring streak on record at the time — and unemployment was just 4.7%, a 10-year low. Corporate profits were near all-time highs, and so were stocks. Overall, gross domestic product was growing around 2.5% a year — a modest rate for the world’s largest economy. Not everything was rosy: the federal debt was at its highest level since the 1950s. But by most metrics, it was hard to deny: the economy was on solid footing. And fortunately for Trump, the growth continued from there.
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Up until 2020, President Trump’s first term was characterized by solid job growth, but then the pandemic wiped out about 15% of American jobs in just two months. Since May, the economy has recovered only about half those jobs, and Trump is heading into the election with the worst job losses on record under any president.
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If it feels like your grocery bill is higher lately, that’s because food prices did surge suddenly during the pandemic. Over the longer haul, however, they’ve been relatively stable. At this same point in the presidencies of Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton and George W. Bush, food prices were already up 9% or more. They’re up only 6.1% under Trump, and were up 5.9% under Obama, reflecting an era of low inflation.

PRESIDENTS can’t change trends overnight and they inherit fuckups from the previous administration that affects deep into their term. Let’s give Old Joe a chance. Perhaps if you tell your Senators to get off their asses they are the ones that can really help


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