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But, you see, the American poor people
have been brainwashed to believe
that they can survive precisely because
the rich get richer. This is the greatest
achievement ever of the oligarchy
in any country in the world: the transformation
of the poor into stupid non-entitites
the idea that you can pull yourself up from from rags to riches.
That fantasy is sold to Americans by the big corporations, who also tell them they are the job providers and should pay as little taxes as possible.
Then why is the US doing so poorly in social mobility and why are all the
strong social democracies kicking the US's ass:
Rank, Country, Social Mobility Index Score
1 Denmark 85.2
2 Norway 83.6
3 Finland 83.6
4 Sweden 83.5
5 Iceland 82.7
6 Netherlands 82.4
7 Switzerland 82.1
8 Belgium 80.1
9 Austria 80.1
10 Luxembourg 79.8
11 Germany 78.8
12 France 76.7
13 Slovenia 76.4
14 Canada 76.1
15 Japan 76.1
16 Australia 75.1
17 Malta 75.0
18 Ireland 75.0
19 Czech Republic 74.7
20 Singapore 74.6
21 United Kingdom 74.4
22 New Zealand 74.3
23 Estonia 73.5
24 Portugal 72.0
25 South Korea 71.4
26 Lithuania 70.5
27 United States 70.4
Of all those 27 countries, in the US people are the most likely to die poor,
if they are born poor and the least likely to pull themselves out of poverty.
So they know it's wrong, but they have no idea how they got there.
Or they bought into the propaganda for more of the same, as a solution.
empire for 200 years only - maximum. How long will it last? If it's already in decline, then even if it survives another 100 years, it'll still be considered unsuccessful compared, say, to Byzantium or Egypt.
Every country in the world has debt.
There is no difference in the luxury standards between the poverty line of the USA and the poverty line of Europe, even if the amount of money might be different.
The poverty line of the USA: 1p: $12,880/year 2p: $17,420
= $1,073/month single person and $1,462 for a couple
The poverty line of The Netherlands: €1,090/month single person and €2,080 for a couple = $1,202/month single person and $2,292 for a couple
So our poverty line is higher in the amount, probably because housing is on average more expensive in The Netherlands. Maybe they also include gasoline, which is about twice the price here.
However our percentage is 6,8% people below the poverty line. Half of yours.
Immigrants having businesses is nothing special about the US, that's everywhere.
It's the best way for them to provide in their income without being burdened by a language and/or education barrier.
In my country of 17.6 million people, we have around 2 million registered companies. 66.3% are self employed people, 33.6% are companies with a maximum of 250 employees and only 0.1% are companies with more than 250 employees.
We can better call it the Dutch Dream, I think.
We have issues with democrats holding our oil and coal hostage so they can make money on stocks in lithium and solar panels and etc but that can change in a year or so.
Actually your country doesn't have oil, because they have given it away to your oil companies. Only a small fraction of the profits go to the people and the rest goes to the owners and share holders of the companies. Other countries are smarter than you, they decided their oil is the oil of the people and the benefits must go to the people. Norway has a nice loaded pension fund because of it.
The downside of your crony capitalist system is that 35% of 'your' oil gets sold overseas and 'your' government has no power to decide that 'your' oil should stay in your country. Because that would be socialism, which you think is horrible.
So don't complain when the capitalist system you prefer does what capitalist systems do.
Americans do not flee to Europe much, that's true. We only have about 50,000 Americans in The Netherlands. Your country does a very good job convincing it's citizens that it's nowhere better than in the US. Keep telling them that, because we're out of space to house all the people who want to come over here.
Why do you insist that our government has a working plan to control our population? The refining industry of my country is next to none. Should we be upset over that? We didn’t give our oil to the oil companies, not in the traditional sense, anyway. In the 1870’s we had huge , nation size government tracks of land sitting unused in the Midwest and the other western areas of the country. The government wanted to lower the burden of overpopulation of the Eastern cities. They started to give away parcels of these lands to any citizen who wanted the land. These turned out to have oil under the surface. These were now private lands. Speculators started to buy these land parcels and start to drill for oil.
So, yes, I guess the government did give it away.
Our system of government is not capitalism. It is a democracy. That means that the most lowly of our people has more power than the federal government. The government can’t, willy-nilly take control of that oil. Remember, we have an institution that says what is fair and what is not. It’s called The Supreme Court of the United States. However, we have an economic system called Capitalism. It works most of the time. The rest of the world criticizes it as corrupt, non-serving, selfish, and anti-friendly to our citizens.
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The funny part of their actions is that every time these world class companies want to screw the world, they do it through one of their subsidiaries in one of your “we are better than the US, we are smarter than any gringo.” Countries. Well, in the scheme of things, your country is second rate even if it has beautiful people and beautiful sights. The rest of the world is third rate at best. And us, with all the disadvantages we have, like the government working to emulate the book “1984” and all the killings by police and the fact we export some of our oil? Well, we are the standard other countries want to be. I think I don’t mind being part of the oppressed of this unsuccessful and corrupt country. Someone has to maintain the #1 country in the world.
At least include the cost of a cardboard box, to live in.
Luckily the poverty standards are decided internationally instead of by Americans.
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Okay, Ananas. The following is entirely from articles on the net. You will see that they support your arguments and some of mine.
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POVERTY MEASURE
Official Poverty Measure. The Census Bureau determines poverty status by using an official poverty measure (OPM) that compares pre-tax cash income against a threshold that is set at three times the cost of a minimum food diet in 1963 and adjusted for family size.
Poverty Measure Component: Official Poverty Measure
Poverty Threshold: Three times the cost of a minimum food diet in 1963
Threshold Adjustments: Vary by family size, composition, and age of householder
Resource Measure: Gross before-tax cash income
WHY IS THE USA SO LOW COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTRIES
The majority of countries in the world, as well as organizations such as World Bank, [the OECD](Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)), and the European Union, set the national poverty line at 50% of a given year's median income. For instance, the median income in the United States was $67,521 in 2020 so the national poverty line according to the United Nations would be $33,761.
However, some countries use different calculations. The U.S. itself, for example, employs a formula first devised in the 1960s, which calculated the estimated cost of adequate food for a year and multiplies by three to account for additional costs (housing, utilities, medical expenses, etc). For 2020, this formula set the poverty threshold at $26,246(US) for a family of four—significantly lower than the more widely used World Bank method.
This discrepancy—coupled with the fact that those above the poverty threshold are often ineligible for aid programs—is the main reason that many anti-poverty advocates and policy experts including the Washington Post argue that the U.S. formula is badly outdated and has failed to keep up with the rising cost of housing and other expenses.
freestar
The poverty rate in the United States varies depending upon the method of measurement. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the official 2017 poverty rate in the U.S. was 12.3%. However, other sources placed it as high as 17.8%. Despite being the largest economy in the world, the U.S. also has a significant wealth inequality gap. The 2021 poverty threshold in the United States is $26,246 for a family of four. This means that households with two adults, two children, and a pre-tax income of less than $26,246 are considered to be living in poverty. Some states are more impoverished than others, and their poverty is exacerbated by high unemployment rates and a lack of high-paying jobs.
It’s a fundamental paradox: in America, the wealthiest country on earth, one also finds the highest rates of poverty in the developed world.
The traditional manner of thinking about poverty in the U.S. has viewed impoverishment as largely the result of individual inadequacies and failings. These shortcomings include not working hard enough, failure to acquire sufficient skills, or just making bad decisions. Consequently, the problem of poverty is often seen through a lens of individual pathology. Since individuals are perceived as having brought poverty onto themselves, our collective and societal obligations are seen as limited. The age-old distinction between the deserving versus the undeserving poor reflects this perspective—unless the working-age poor have very good grounds for their poverty, they’re deemed largely undeserving of help. Poverty is therefore understood as primarily affecting those who choose not to play by the rules of the game.
The United States has the highest standards of living at the middle and upper ends of the income distribution scale,
Than you just get the income distribution of the country and see who falls below the income for that minimal living standard. It's not more difficult than that.
The US has really that many people fall below the specific poverty standard for the US, because there is a lot of poverty in the US. Don't you know that?
If people have an hourly income at minimum wage, they are very close to the poverty line. And there are lots of people who make less than the minimum wage, because they don't get payed by the hour, but in other ways, that are not adding up to minimum wage.
Bread is not a universal staple, because poverty is not just food insecurity.
But if you used that standard, there are also a lot of food insecure people
in the US, so the results of that measurement wouldn't be much better.
There are very poor people in my country too. In my opinion humanity is only as good as how we treat the least fortunate, which is pretty appalling.
Humanity has been improving itself, up to a few decades back. Lately, humanity has been declining to it's stupid selfish nature, which hides beneath our surface.
I'm not a believer as you know, but we are living in the 'end times'. There is no god judging us, but we will be responsible ourselves for either our own salvation or our own demise. We are however heading to 'the rapture' of our own making, but there will be no 'second coming' for anyone.
Maybe humanity deserves it's end.
If that’s what you are trying to say, I agree with you. My country, because of our national mores, are against helping this group. We believe they are there because they lack the ambition to improve their situation. Traditionally, we provide very little in the way of help. Your country along with the other Nordic countries, give high amounts of help. This results in higher taxes.
But those who work shouldn't need help. If their work is required by an employer, that employer should pay enough for that employee to be above the poverty line; a 'living wage'. That means jobs that are not worth that money cannot exist, that's true. So, wouldn't there be no McDonald's, Walmart, Disney World, etc. anymore? It's true that the prices would be higher, but not to the amount that cancels the 'living wage'. We know that, because other countries do it. They/we have lower unemployment numbers than the US, lower poverty and less people funded to work for employers that don't pay enough.
Social security is not 'helping poor people', it's helping yourself, for having a healthy retirement, unemployment benefits (in the less likely chance you need it) and maternity leave. Their unemployment levels are lower than yours. They pay those taxes to have great infrastructure, great free or cheap healthcare, cheap education and a lot of other things you pay for yourself. And those higher taxes are an average. If you don't make a lot of money, you pay less,
but still get the same great healthcare, education and all those other things,
which a big part of the population isn't able to afford in the US.
Maybe you personally can/could afford all those things, but what you pay
for them adds up to much more than you would have ever payed in taxes,
in those high taxes countries.
So I understand if people say "Fuck politics".
Poor people voting for Republicans, that is just stupid. In The Netherlands, there are enough poor people voting for our right wing parties as well, so it is not special to the US, but still it baffles the mind. They are voting for the party that is aggressively fighting against the improvement of their lives.
That takes some strong propaganda.
The business owner does not want to leave any money on the table unless forced to. Loosing all workers to a competitor that pays more is one reason.
They have nothing to do with people under the poverty line. The individual states provide food, medical support, and, in some cases, monetary help. This help is mostly funded by the Federal government. The remainder comes from the states themselves. That’s why there’s inequalities from state to state.
All hospitals have to provide free emergency services until the patient is stabilized. There are many public hospitals that not only treat emergencies but also have clinics at no cost to treat regular medical problems.
So with a lower poverty line than the widely used World Bank method (on which our poverty line is based), you still had between 12.3 an 17.8%.
Which are the parts you think support your idea that the poverty in the US is not as bad as reported? The part that there are also many very rich people? Because I think that makes it only worse for having that many poor people.
So, what are they missing? They can’t frequent restaurants. They don’t go to the movies. They are not able to take vacations in special attractions. The poor usually have to buy less expensive foods.
This was in 2020, it's worse now:
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Those rich people overwhelmingly vote Republican, a party that wants taxes to be lower and public institutions, transportation, infrastructure, and services be funded less.
I’m pretty sure I understand well enough what poverty is. You don’t need a college education to see and understand how it manifest itself.
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But why call it cheating?
People, men and women, need to fuck,
and they can't be fucking the same person all the time.
Humans aren't monogamous.
Here they are, starting from the most enjoyable:
1. Sex
2. Sex
3. Sex
Notice the last part of that statement:
“all verifications given by them in past to other members are also revoked which may cause further "chain reaction".”
Admin, I ask you, “ What has verification of a member, in the past, and made in good faith, have to do with a present member being found to be fake?
I just lost my verification because one of my sponsors lost his ability to verify due to this “chain reaction”. I did everything right I posted a pic of my driver’s license. You can’t get better proof. It’s not fair that because some jerk is not playing right I have to suffer too. I ask you, “Is this good for the site? When I lose my verification, a whole lot of things become off-limits to me. This takes away from the site.
so because you are a past member and a premium paid member, you should be exempt from the established guidelines?
I’m not okay with witch hunts and I don’t like Leo’s ways, but, for whatever reason, he seems to be doing a service to the site
This profile, your profile, has been in existence for slightly more than 2 years. In those 2 years, how many "gifts" has he sent you? I counted only 1, a foiled egg sent 2 years ago for Easter, 2020. Has YOUR FRIEND, leo, wished you a happy Anniversary or a happy birthday in the last 2 years? He doesn't use the points on you, he sits on them because it makes him feel superior.
Should I repost his picture he sends around to members??
I would never show anyone personal ID to be verified here.
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… and the gift.
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